Brevard County Board of County Commissioners  
Commission Chambers, Building C  
2725 Judge Fran Jamieson Way  
Viera, FL 32940  
Minutes  
Tuesday, December 2, 2025  
5:00 PM  
Regular  
Commission Chambers  
Rollcall  
Commissioner District 1 Katie Delaney , Commissioner District 2  
Tom Goodson, Commissioner District 3 Kim Adkinson,  
Commissioner District 4 Rob Feltner, and Commissioner District 5  
Thad Altman  
Present:  
A.  
C.  
CALL TO ORDER 5:00 PM  
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE: Commissioner Rob Feltner, District 4  
Commissioner Feltner led the assembly in the Pledge of Allegiance.  
D.1. Minutes for Approval: September 16, 2025 Regular Meeting; October 14, 2025  
Regular Meeting  
The Board approved the September 16, 2025, Regular Meeting and the October 14, 2025,  
Regular Meeting Minutes.  
Result: APPROVED  
Mover: Rob Feltner  
Seconder: Katie Delaney  
Ayes: Delaney, Goodson, Adkinson, Feltner, and Altman  
E.1. Resolution recognizing the 40th anniversary of WESH 2’s Share Your Christmas  
food drive  
Chair Altman read aloud, and the Board adopted Resolution No. 25-144, recognizing the 40th  
anniversary of WESH 2’s Share Your Christmas Food Drive.  
Result: ADOPTED  
Mover: Rob Feltner  
Seconder: Katie Delaney  
Ayes: Delaney, Goodson, Adkinson, Feltner, and Altman  
Megan Moriarity, WESH 2 Representative, stated she just moved here in January to join the  
WESH 2 News Team, specifically to represent Brevard County; she expressed her appreciation  
to the Board for having them here on behalf of the entire team; she advised WESH is going to  
be accepting those donations next week at the Brevard Zoo on December 12; and they hope  
everyone can come out as it should be a good time.  
Chair Altman asked Ms. Moriarity to let all of the folks know at WESH how much the Board  
appreciates their commitment to the community.  
Tim Bobanic, Supervisor of Elections, explained they have been partnering with WESH since  
2009 when his predecessor, Lori Scott, first kicked off the program; in the 16 years, they  
collected over 6,800 pounds of food just in that time; they are currently accepting food  
donations right now right across the hall and at all four of their administrative locations; it has  
always been their common belief that everybody during the holidays should be able to have a  
shared meal with their families; and they appreciate their partnership.  
F.1. Acceptance, RE: Binding Development Plan with Cobblestone II RVG LLC  
(23Z00038) (District 3)  
The Board accepted and executed Binding Development Plan with Cobblestone II RVG LLC  
(23Z00038), for a parcel of land being a part of Government Lots 2 and 5, Section 14,  
Township 30, Range 38 East, Brevard County, Florida, being more particularly described as  
follows: BEGINNING at the intersection of the South line of the North 786.51 feet of  
Government Lots 2 and 5, in Section 14, Township 30 South, Range 38 East, Brevard County,  
Florida, and the Westerly Right-of-Way Line of U.S. Highway No. One; thence N89°51'48"E  
along aforesaid South line of the North 786.51 feet a distance of 155.49 feet to a point on the  
Easterly Right-of-Way line of U.S. Highway No. 1; thence continue S89°29'18"E a distance of  
39.0 feet more or less, to the Mean High Water Line (as located on February 7, 2022) of the  
Indian River; thence Southerly along the Mean High Water line of the Indian River a distance of  
449. 7 feet, more or less, to a point on the North line of Submerged Land Lease per Official  
Records Book 4215, Page 1020 of the Public Records of Brevard County, Florida; thence S61  
°57'36"W along said North line of Submerged Land Lease a distance of 27.80 feet, more or  
less, to point on the South line of the North 293. 76 feet of the South 448.49 feet of aforesaid  
Government Lots 2 and 5 of Section 14; thence N89°33'24"W along aforesaid South line a  
distance of 65.34 feet to a point on said Easterly Right-of-Way Line of U.S. Highway No. 1;  
thence N89°33'24"W a distance of 157.90 feet to a point on the aforesaid Westerly  
Right-of-Way Line of U.S. Highway No. 1; thence N89°33'24"W continuing along aforesaid  
South Line a distance of 1,562.37 feet to a point on the West Right-of-Way Line of Florida East  
Coast Railroad; thence S2°13'14"E along said West Right-of-Way Line of the Florida East  
Coast Railroad a distance of 155.17 feet; thence N89°32'04"W a distance of 684.76 feet to the  
Southwest corner of Government Lot 2; thence N0°15'21 "E along the West line of Government  
Lot 2 a distance of 1,167.02 feet; thence N89°32'41 "W a distance of 301.95 feet; thence  
N9°14'29"W a distance of 170.00 feet to a point on the South Right-of-Way Line of Woods Trail  
as shown on the plat of PINE RIDGE HEIGHTS, as recorded in Plat Book 24, Page 86, of the  
Public Records of Brevard County, Florida; thence S89°32'41 "E along aforesaid South  
Right-of-Line of Woods Trail and along the south line of Lot 25 a distance of 330.00 feet to the  
Northeast corner of the North 1/2 of the Southwest 1/4 of the Northeast 1/4 of Section 14;  
thence S0°15'21 "W a distance of 115.00 feet; thence S89°32'49"E a distance of 586.68 feet to  
a point on aforesaid West Right-of-Way Line of the Florida East Coast Railroad, said point  
being on a circular curve being concave Westerly, having a radius of 5,679.65 feet, a central  
angle of 6°49'40" and a chord bearing of S6°02'44"E; thence Southerly along the arc of said  
curve a distance of 676.83 feet to a point on the aforesaid South line of the North 786.51 feet of  
Government Lots 2 and 5; thence S89°29'18"E along aforesaid South line a distance of  
1,401.39 feet to the Point of Beginning, LESS AND EXCEPT: road right-of-way for U.S.  
Highway No. 1 (143 feet wide right-of-way). Florida East Coast Railroad (100 feet wide  
right-of-way). ALSO LESS AND EXCEPT the following described parcel: A parcel of land lying  
in Section 14, Township 30 South, Range 38 East, Brevard County, Florida being a portion of  
those lands described in Official Records Book 3614, Page 3232, of the Public Records of  
Brevard County, Florida and being more particularly described as follows: Commence at the  
Southwest corner of lands described in Official Records Book 5033, Page 1534 of said public  
records and run South 89°25' 18" East along the south line of said lands and along the north  
line of said lands described in Official Records Book 3614, Page 3232, a distance of 118.20  
feet to the POINT OF BEGINNING of the herein described parcel: thence continue South  
89°25'18" East along the south line of said lands described in Official Records Book 5033,  
Page 1534 and the north line of said lands described in Official Records Book 3614, Page  
3232, a distance of 112.78 feet to the intersection with the Westerly Right-of-Way line of U.S.  
Highway No. 1, a 143 foot wide public right-of-way as presently occupied, said Westerly  
Right-of-Way line being a circular curve concave to the Northeast and having for its elements a  
radius of 8672.41 feet, a chord of 134.62 feet and a chord direction of South 24°16'53" East;  
thence run Southeasterly along the said Westerly right-of-way line and along arc of said curve  
through a central angle of 00°53'22" an arc distance ofl34.62 feet to a Point of Tangency;  
thence departing said Westerly Right-of-Way line run South 74°08'16" West a distance of  
126.43 feet; thence North 16°25'04" West a distance of 165.00 feet to the Point of Beginning.  
Result: APPROVED  
Mover: Katie Delaney  
Seconder: Rob Feltner  
F.2. Approval; RE: Land Donation from Sasso Corporation -District 2  
The Board approved acceptance of a donation of property from The Sasso Corporation, in  
Merritt Island, (Parcel ID Number 24-37-19-00-251, Tax Account Number 2431729); approved  
waiving the requirements for a survey and Phase 1 Environmental Site Assessment; authorized  
the Chair to execute an agreement accepting the donation, upon County Attorney’s Office and  
Risk Management Department review and approval; and authorized the County  
Environmentally Endangered Lands (EEL) Program to pay the title and closing fees.  
Result: APPROVED  
Mover: Katie Delaney  
Seconder: Rob Feltner  
F.3. Resolution approving the issuance by Brevard County Housing Finance Authority  
of single family Mortgage Revenue Bonds or in the alternative, the issuance of  
Mortgage Credit Certificates or in the alternative, the issuance of Multifamily  
Revenue Bonds during 2027 through 2029.  
The Board adopted Resolution No. 25-145, allowing the Brevard County Housing Finance  
Authority to apply for an allocation with the Florida Division of Bond Finance and to allow for the  
future issuance by the Authority of Single Family Mortgage Revenue Bonds, or in the  
alternative, issuance of Mortgage Credit Certificates, or in the alternative, issuance of  
Multifamily Revenue Bonds during 2027 through 2029.  
Result: ADOPTED  
Mover: Katie Delaney  
Seconder: Rob Feltner  
F.4. Appointment(s) / Reappointment(s)  
The Board appointed/reappointed Kristina Latraverse to the Art in Public Places Advisory  
Committee, with term expiring December 31, 2027; Nancy L. Tomassone to the Audit  
Committee, with term expiring December 31, 2027; Thomas Brandon to the Building and  
Construction Advisory Committee, with term expiring December 31, 2027; Euripides Rodriguez  
to the Citizen Budget Review Committee, with term expiring December 31, 2027; Dr. Teri Jones  
and Sean Williams to the Economic Development Commission of Florida’s Space Coast, with  
terms expiring December 31, 2026; Carol Mascellino to the Employee Benefits Insurance  
Advisory Committee, with term expiring December 31, 2026; Frank Catino to the Marine  
Advisory Council, with term expiring December 31, 2027; Bonnie Venable to the Personnel  
Council, with term expiring December 31, 2027; and Terri Friedlander and Dana Vinci to the  
Transportation Planning Organization Citizens Advisory Committee, with terms expiring  
December 31, 2026.  
Result: APPROVED  
Mover: Katie Delaney  
Seconder: Rob Feltner  
F.5. Precinct Boundaries - Altered and Added (Chapter 101.001(1) F.S.)  
The Board approved the revised precinct boundaries due to annexation by the Cities of  
Melbourne, Palm Bay, and Titusville.  
Result: APPROVED  
Mover: Katie Delaney  
Seconder: Rob Feltner  
F.6. Bill Folder  
The Board acknowledged receipt of the Bill Folder.  
Result: APPROVED  
Mover: Katie Delaney  
Seconder: Rob Feltner  
G.  
PUBLIC COMMENTS (Individuals may not speak under both the first and second  
public comment sections.)  
Diane Nagel commented she is here because she is upset, she is hot, and she is going to tell  
the Board why, it is because of Commissioner Delaney’s District, District 1; she is used to  
working with Commissioners who do something; and she can honestly say she is very  
disappointed with her office. She went on by saying Commissioner Delaney's office does  
nothing but say okay, okay, they will take care of it, but they cannot call District 1 Road and  
Bridge, he or she will have to call them; this was her fifth phone call to her office; she was  
finally told by somebody that she would have to call District 1 Road and Bridge; she asked what  
their phone number was; they said they did not have that; she then asked what time they  
closed, because it was 3:43 in the afternoon; she said she did not know; and she found the  
number and called Road and Bridge. She stated Road and Bridge was closed, but the taped  
message said that they were opened Monday through Friday from 7:30 to 3:30, and closed on  
the holidays; she called back Commissioner Delaney’s office and told whoever answered, the  
same lady, that the Road and Bridge Department was open from 7:30 to 3:30 Monday through  
Friday, except holidays; now Commissioner Delaney knows; that was her conversation the fifth  
time she called Commissioner Delaney’s office in District 1; she was told originally that  
something would be done, it would be looked into that her backyard was underwater; and she  
provided the Board with photos. She advised they were taken maybe November 12th or  
something like that, around 11:00; that is the backyard in the middle of the night; she has four  
young children there under the age of eight that are scared to death, because their house is  
flooding, and there is a river in their backyard; but nobody cares, nobody from District 1; they  
do not come out and check it; she reiterated they do not care; this happened a couple of years  
ago and they were told it would be taken care of; but nothing happened. She pointed out there  
are other people here who were run out of their homes, they do not have any homes, nobody  
cares, and nobody comes out and looks at it; she stated Commissioner Delaney’s office does  
not have a clue, not one clue what they are doing; she is used to working with County  
Commissioner like John Hurdle, Joe Wickham, and Lee Wenner that do something; they would  
have a sump pump out there pumping that stuff out; they would not accept the incompetence  
that Commissioner Delaney’s office provides; she is hot; she asked the Board to have an  
Agenda Item for this and get something done; they do not want to hear it is going to cost too  
much money to fix; she knows because she owns several homes in this County; she has  
wonderful drainage in Merritt Island, Taj Mahal drainage; she has Taj Mahal drainage in  
Canaveral Groves; but it was not provided by District 1 office; and it was before she, or others  
before her, got there. She noted the ones who have been in District 1 have been asleep; there  
has been no drainage in District 1; they have done without while the rest of the County got all of  
the money from stormwater drainage taxes.  
Commissioner Delaney asked Ms. Nagel if she lived on Westwood, or what street.  
Ms. Nagel replied Kirby. She stated it is actually a rental house; her husband was born and  
raised there, so it is a rental house; but they have other houses.  
Commissioner Goodson asked if Marc Bernath, Public Works Director, is aware of this situation  
on Kirby.  
Mr. Bernath responded he is.  
Commissioner Goodson inquired if he could shed some light on why, because even the other  
day, he has known Ms. Nagel for 40 years, so when he rode up there, the streets are still wet;  
he understands there is a lake behind Kirby; and he asked if it is spring-fed, or if there is any  
truth to that.  
Mr. Bernath replied yes, there is an artisan well; they are not exactly sure where it is coming  
from; he does want to articulate a couple of things said by the speaker; while certainly  
empathetic to the concern, Road and Bridge does not handle private lot drainage; they do not  
do it in District 2; they do not do it in District 1; they do not do it in any District; they handle  
public road infrastructure; should the Board want them to do something more, certainly they are  
at the pleasure of the Board; but they would need funding and resources to do so. He went on  
to say specific to that, they have been out there; they did a maintenance project about a year  
ago to address some failing infrastructure within their easement that was corrected; but they  
also had a drainage project that has been explained to the residents, which is what he is told by  
his staff; they have been onsite, they have answered emails and phone calls; they have the  
Dixie Village drainage project which is roughly $4 million; they also have a Westwood drainage  
project, which is another $2 million; they are working on the design; and right now, they do not  
have the funding for both of those projects. He mentioned given the funding constraints that his  
Department has, they will continue to work with the Board to figure out ways to find that money;  
and they will also be submitting next year for State appropriations if they can get the 50 percent  
mark, because typically they look for that.  
Commissioner Goodson inquired if he understood in the first presentation they just started their  
presentation that the County does not control rear lot drainage in that subdivision.  
Mr. Bernath responded that is correct, it is actually in the Brevard County Code that rear lot and  
side lot drainage are requirements of the homeowners to address; if the Board would like staff  
to change that, they certainly were up in District 1 area throughout October; there was a lot of  
flooding; they did what they could in the public infrastructure; they had a lot of homes flooding;  
and again, he is empathetic to that, but they do not have the resources to handle that.  
Commissioner Goodson asked, that being said, those homes when they were built, were there  
grades on side swales coming to the route or then they have been filled up by homeowners, or  
does Mr. Bernath know.  
Mr. Bernath responded he does not know specifically to that particular house; but that is a  
problematic issue for them Countywide; and it is something that they are going to be briefing  
the Board about some drainage concerns that they have and how possibly to address them at  
the budget workshop.  
Commissioner Goodson asked if that natural lake has an artisan well, by State law, is it  
supposed to be capped, or is someone supposed to cap it.  
Mr. Bernath replied he cannot answer that; but he stated staff looked at it, they were concerned  
about when they attempted to cap it and the flooding that appeared to come from that, so they  
decided it was best to leave it alone for now.  
Chair Altman asked if he lives there and if there is a public drainage easement in his backyard,  
would the County be responsible for that public drainage easement.  
Mr. Bernath replied again, in the County’s Code, he does not have it committed to memory, but  
it actually says that even if it is dedicated to the public, side, and rear lot drainage is the  
responsibility of the homeowners.  
Chair Altman asked if he is going into a public easement though, he is a private homeowner,  
and he starts working in what is considered a public easement, does he have the permission of  
the easement, does he have to have the permission of the easement holder to do the work  
there.  
Mr. Bernath responded technically, one does need to obtain a permit; that was what  
Commissioner Goodson was alluding to; there is a problem throughout the County where it has  
drainage easements, which are being filled in; they are one of the major issues that it has, in  
addition to failed private coverts; there are a number of issues that staff intends to brief the  
Board on; but that is the Reader’s Digest version, so to speak.  
Chair Altman commented the Board has talked about that, it is a serious problem.  
Commissioner Goodson asked what the ruling is on open artisan wells in the State of Florida.  
Virginia Barker, Natural Resources Management Director, replied the Water Management  
District has a well-plugging program to assist homeowners with getting those plugged if they  
are on private property.  
Commissioner Goodson inquired what if it is on a County lake.  
Ms. Barker responded then the County would be the funding partner.  
Commissioner Goodson asked if that is a public lake up there.  
Ms. Barker replied she does not know, as she is not familiar with the site.  
Mr. Bernath advised staff can certainly look into that.  
Commissioner Goodson mentioned to please look at that and let the Board know, because he  
was under the false assumption that St. Johns wanted artisan wells capped.  
Ms. Barker stated yes, they do.  
Commissioner Goodson asked who would pay for the capping of that well.  
Ms. Barker responded the Water Management District gets an allocation each year in their  
budget; it is first come, first serve; but typically, they will cover all of the costs until they run out  
of budget.  
Commissioner Goodson asked if that is a public lake, public well, or artisan well, does staff  
know if there is an outflow structure that allows the water to leave the lake but go into a correct  
area rather than Diane Tingley-Gunn’s house.  
Mr. Bernath replied the maintenance project that the County did last year corrected within its  
easement from that area to the road, a failing covert; he believes staff has addressed that; but  
they can certainly take another look.  
Commissioner Goodson asked why there would be standing water in the street today.  
Mr. Bernath advised that is why they have the two projects that he had mentioned, one for Dixie  
Village, and one for Westwood, so there are a lot of issues throughout District 1, just because it  
was not well planned, there are easement issues, the covert issues he talked about; they have,  
depending on when the subdivisions were built, if they were before early 2000, it predates the  
County‘s subdivision Code for stormwater; there are certain older communities that do not have  
retention ponds, there are areas that are blocked for various reasons; and there are a number  
of reasons that have led the County here 30 or 40 years later. He went on to say the County  
does have a mess, and it does not have the funding to address it.  
Commissioner Delaney pointed out this is a result of some of the stuff she has been talking  
about for months; she expressed her appreciation to Ms. Nagel for what she is going through;  
she has been all over District 1, especially during that time, all over, and Ms. Nagel is not the  
only one who is suffering; she is not trying to diminish what she is saying, because she is with  
her, she understands; she has presented slide shows so she could present these things to the  
Board; and until now, there has not been any movement about wanting to discuss this in depth.  
She went on to say it takes a lot of people from District 1 and District 5, being at the south end  
of the County, to come out here; there are a lot of people here that took the effort; she hopes it  
puts a sense of urgency on this; she keeps hearing from this Board that each Commissioner is  
supposed to represent the entire County; but she is the only one who is advocating for District  
1; and she keeps getting voted against. She noted she is about done with it and so are her  
constituents obviously; she asked Mr. Bernath if he could count how many times she called  
him, basically begging to see if District 1 could get back trucks out; and she stated over and  
over.  
Mr. Bernath replied yes, Commissioner.  
Commissioner Delaney explained it just was not in the County’s Code, it was not allowed; and  
she was told she would have to get Board approval to make that happen.  
Ms. Nagel remarked from the audience that 30 families lost their homes.  
Commissioner Delaney stated she knows, way more than that.  
Ms. Nagel pointed out and that is just in their neighborhood.  
Commissioner Delaney exclaimed she knows. She went on by saying this is a critical issue; the  
County is in an emergency; District 1 is not even in a critical issue; it is an emergency what is  
being dealt with in District 1; and she is asking the Board to please hear the people that are  
here, these people that have traveled all this way.  
Chair Altman stated he is impressed; and he asked how Commissioner Goodson knew there  
was an artisan well, as it is a big County.  
Commissioner Goodson replied as dumb as he is, he does fall into a mud hole once in a while.  
Mr. Bernath commented staff was looking at that while the last conversation was going on, and  
it is a private lake.  
Ms. Barker noted the District’s program does assist private homeowners with well plugging, and  
the phone number is 386-643-1152.  
Commissioner Goodson asked if that is a State number Ms. Barker is giving out.  
Ms. Barker replied it is the St. John’s River Water Management District’s Artisan Well-Plugging  
Program.  
Morris Richardson, County Attorney, explained they do that for free now; they used to have a  
fee, but they have waived that fee; there are no matches or a fee for the private homeowners if  
they have a free-flowing well that needs to be plugged.  
Commissioner Goodson stated he does not know how big the well is; it could be four inches or  
12 inches, which there could be a lot of water going into that lake; he asked why he would want  
to call them when staff is in that position to call them; he advised staff knows them much better;  
he would like staff to reach out to them for this capping and this lake, and get back to the Board  
with what they are going to tell it, if it is going to cost, he just cannot imagine; if the water that  
goes into the lake can be controlled, that would help somewhere down the road; and he asked  
would it not.  
Mr. Bernath replied he believes it will; but like he mentioned, the County has a lot of other  
issues; and it also has a very high water table, so even with Road and Bridge’s project, there  
are still going to be issues in that overall area.  
Commissioner Goodson advised that may be true, but it might condone the drastic stuff and  
help it a little.  
Mr. Bernath commented right, he thinks indirectly.  
Commissioner Goodson asked staff if there is an overflow structure for that water to get out of  
that lake to go somewhere rather than these people’s homes and streets, because he would  
think if a ditch was piped into the lake, somewhere along the line it would make staff  
understand they better have an outflow to get the water out of the lake; and if staff could do  
some studying and get back with the Board at the next meeting letting it know about capping  
the well and where the water goes once it leaves the lake.  
Chair Altman pointed out it is just common sense, those free-flowing artisan wells can generate  
massive amounts of water over time, and with the lake and the water table being elevated, that  
may have played a contributing factor in the flooding; and he thinks the staff should also ask  
the Water Control District, if they can, he knows first come, first served is the way they operate,  
but if they can prioritize some of these free-flowing wells that are threatening public health,  
safety, and property, because obviously, by focusing on these type of wells that are causing  
significant flooding problems, to prioritize would make a lot of sense.  
Commissioner Goodson inquired if Ms. Barker could tell the Board where artisan wells are  
allowed today; and where would one have an artisan well that is legal and is allowed; he stated  
he would comment to Deseret Ranch, Kempfer Ranch, South Brevard County to any ranch and  
grasslands down there, as far as having one on Tucker Lane above here; and he asked if the  
Viera people closed all of theirs.  
Ms. Barker replied it is a State program, a Water Management District program, so she is not  
familiar; and she would have to research and get back to the Board.  
Commissioner Goodson expressed his appreciation to Ms. Barker.  
Chair Altman noted in Florida there is the artisan aquifer and it is unique, one digs a pipe a  
certain amount of depth and water will flow; it does not have to be pumped; it depletes the  
aquifer but it also floods the surface waters, too, and that is why they are not a good thing;  
maybe in the old days they were; maybe Ponce de Leon thought maybe that was the fountain  
of youth; but they can wreak havoc; and hopefully, this will be one of the things the Board can  
do.  
Commissioner Delaney stated she wants to make sure that the Board is not zeroing in on this  
one thing, because while the artisanal well might be one issue but it is by far not the end all be  
all of the flooding that is going on.  
Chair Altman remarked he assures Commissioner Delaney that the Board knows that.  
Commissioner Feltner asked just for his own education, a technical issue, once it is capped or  
plugged, does that allow the area to be sort of a natural stormwater retention pond after that.  
Ms. Barker responded it would depend on the elevations, but yes.  
Commissioner Feltner stated if the water is coming up there now and pooling there, it seems  
that is where water wants to go, the low area; and he asked if that is right.  
Ms. Barker replied it depends on the surrounding elevations.  
Mr. Bernath advised staff will have to look at it; so, again, communicating with staff while they  
are here, they do not believe it was designed, they are checking with St. John’s and maybe the  
residents know, but a lot of good questions; and it is a private lake, so they may not have the  
information, but they will look to see what can be found.  
Chair Altman stated a lot of people have these free flowing wells in these lakes because in the  
dry time of the year, the lakes really draw down, and they expose a lot of the shoreline; it may  
not look as attractive as having a lake with a high water table; but the problem is when the  
water is not allowed to dry down, they get a gully washer, and there is no place for the water to  
go but to people’s houses or yards.  
Commissioner Feltner mentioned in his District, he can appreciate that there are older  
neighborhoods that do not have stormwater retention, and then there are the newer areas like  
over here where there is stormwater retention everywhere; it is hard when contemplating how  
to retrofit older areas with stormwater where it does not exist; he knows that is an ongoing  
challenge; staff will continue to work on ditches and some of those other things; and he was  
just curious if it was plugged if it would become a stormwater retention pond.  
Ms. Barker noted the water has to get there.  
Mr. Bernath stated it probably could not hurt, but staff will have to look at it.  
Chair Altman advised this Commission and former Commissioners have spent thousands of  
hours trying to address drainage issues; he can assure the residents that the Board will  
continue to do that and more; the Board talked about master stormwater plans, master  
drainage plans, and surveys that need to be done; he actually had done an appropriation bill in  
the legislature where they tried to redefine the flood plain because the flood plain maps are not  
up to date in Florida; a lot of work needs to be done; there are going to be some tough  
decisions made to do it; and the County is going to need the residents voices to make that  
happen.  
Beth Scott commented respectfully, she feels this is kind of lip service; they have owned  
property in Westwood Villa since 2002; the family has owned property on Kirby since 1960  
something; it belonged to her former mother-in-law; during Ian, there was nine inches of  
standing water in the neighborhood; during this storm on the 26th, there was nine inches in the  
garage of their home, four and one-half inches inside of their house; when she opened the front  
door, it looked like a storm river, literally a raging river, coming from the back of her house to  
the front; and the entire top of the street was underwater. She went on to say she took  
photographs; she sat in her car and watched the water rise; nothing could be done; this is the  
second time; as she said, they were told during Ian it was because there was a broken pipe on  
Parrish Road that served the neighborhood up off of Parrish Road; the engineer assured them  
that the lake on the property behind Kirby had nothing to do with it; before they could even fix  
the Parrish Road issue, the culvert failed right there on Kirby and Bryn Mawr that runs behind  
their neighbors houses; and they watched as they pumped the water out from the lake behind  
to that culvert, which is what caused that culvert to fail. She mentioned this is not a new  
problem, this is a problem because overgrowth has been allowed without paying attention to  
the neighbors and surrounding areas, plain and simple; they bought that house on Bryn Mawr  
in 2002; it will, according to the drainage maps, is not in a flood zone; she guarantee’s the  
Board, it is in a flood zone; she has pictures; her kids had to take all of their stuff out of their  
house again, with no insurance, no way to cover it and replace everything all over again; the  
Board needs to realize that the growth in this County needs to consider the older subdivisions,  
not just what is being put in new; she asked not to let what it an build up here on this person’s  
property affect her down there; and she should not have to have flood insurance. She stated  
staff said to move the water out of her backyard; during Ian, she made sure that occurred; she  
has sump pumps that run all of the drainage water out of her backyard to the road; that is her  
responsibility to get the water out of her backyard so it does not flood her house; it did not do  
any good; and she asked the Board, respectfully, to please fix the problem.  
Dale Berry stated he lives on Bryn Mawr Drive; there was 18 inches of water in his house for  
over 12 hours; the ditch the County calls drainage behind his house floods every time it rains; a  
lot of money was spent on that culvert that passes Kirby Street; and it did not seem like it did  
any good. He went on to say what would have been helpful was if the Governor was involved  
and it was declared a disaster area so they could get some Federal help; the County cannot do  
it; President Donald Trump seems pretty eager to come in and help people; he asked why they  
were not involved; he pointed out no one has heard anything about this flood until this meeting;  
he asked where the County was a month ago when they were trying to pump their houses out;  
he stated the drainage ditch behind his house is supposed to be cleared every year; he asked if  
the Board knows when the last time it was cleared; and he advised probably about five years  
ago. He noted that is a main drainage ditch; they come in with the big machines that pull up all  
of the trees and clears out the waterway; he asked why the Board did not do it; he stated he  
does not have that machine; it was not until their backdoor neighbors called, called, and called  
for years before it was ever cleared; he does not like replacing everything in his house; and he  
lost a lot. He mentioned he just rents, but their house is the lowest house on Bryn Mawr Drive;  
his neighbor’s house burned down; it took two years to put the permits in; when he rebuilt his  
house, they forced him to raise the foundation two feet; and he asked what that looks like to all  
of the neighbors that he lives by. He asked the Board to please do something.  
Sandra Sullivan commented she has been coming here for eight years, and she runs a  
Facebook page called Waves Action; she has been saying many times that they got mucked  
on the Lagoon tax; she is just appalled; the Lagoon tax is a scam; the County had nearly 21  
million gallons dumped into the Indian River Lagoon in 2022 and 2023; and she asked who  
knew. She went on to say the testing shows E. coli in the surface water; there are issues on  
both of those plants; that was at Sykes Creek and South Beaches, mostly South Beaches,  
District 3, where 19 million of that came from; there are issues with the well and consent  
orders, and the Lagoon tax; what the people voted for included Advanced Water Treatment  
(AWT) upgrades; it is $2.4 million on the Save Our Indian River Lagoon (SOIRL) plan for that,  
but it is $18 million to do the work, which was awarded in 2022; and nothing has been done.  
She advised everybody knows the infrastructure is an issue; Florida Department of  
Environmental Protection (FDEP) is fining Brevard County for not reporting sewage dumping  
since 2023; the Board has consent orders on these sewage treatment plants, both on its  
monitoring wells, which the County is not monitoring; the reason why is because sewage has a  
way of coming up, upwelling; sewage dumping is the largest source of pollution; the Board can  
pour all of the money it wants on the Lagoon tax, but if it is dumping sewage to that degree, 21  
million gallons of sewage, and that was not the peak, they did not know about it, the people did  
not know about it; and she looked it up on Oculus and found that information. She stated  
regarding the comments on the flooding, the audience does not know, but she knows, because  
they come to these meetings; Commissioner Delaney knows because she fought for this; the  
Commission removed the density limitation from the Comprehensive Plan, which is going to  
increase the density hugely; the County has four flood plains; if she looks back on the last eight  
years, one topic has filled this room more than any other issue; and they even had somebody  
recently saying they had to buy a boat because of their flooding recently; but the issue that has  
plagued Brevard is flooding; and what the Board did in the Comprehensive Plan is so incredibly  
irresponsible for the future flooding; and the County is going to have way more people than this  
coming in here. She provided the Board with the ‘we got mucked award’.  
Teresa Williams stated October 25th is the last evening that she was able to spend in her home  
due to this flooding; they were on Harrison Avenue, and in four hours enough rain fell that they  
almost did not make it home; there were sections of Titusville where water was washing up  
over the hood of her SUV; they had to have someone with a lifted truck come and rescue them  
and take them home; she asked the Board if it wants to know where that pond is draining that  
is directly behind her house, into her pool, into her home, and into her neighbor’s home that live  
directly next to her; and drywall has come out, flooring has come out, she does not have a  
kitchen, and she cannot live in her home. She continued by saying that there is a $2 million  
budget for Westwood, a $4 million budget for Kirby, but she might have those numbers mixed  
up; they bought a home with her mother in 1988 on 3320 Westwood Drive; every single time it  
rains, Westwood Drive floods; it floods to the point that cars have to be rescued; emergency  
services have to be called out, so there is more money that is being wasted because the  
County refuses to do anything about this problem; when the rain and water recedes from  
Westwood Drive, the street is dry; however, if one goes to Kirby Drive right now, there is water  
actively flowing down the gutters down Kirby Drive. She mentioned one can go around the  
curve toward Westwood and can see where it is coming out of the cracks in people’s  
driveways; it is real easy to sit up there and say budget this, budget that, commission this, vote  
that; she asked, the fact of the matter is how many of the Commissioners are able to go home  
to his or her bed tonight; she advised she cannot, she cannot because the County refuses to  
do anything; people are sent out to Westwood Drive, they dig a hole, and they put on a patch;  
she asked if the Board knows what people have now on Westwood Drive; and she noted  
patches, potholes, and a flood every single time it rains. She pointed out insurance will not  
cover the damage done to people’s homes because it overflowed from a natural source; she  
was catching catfish in her pool; she reiterated she cannot go home because of the problem in  
this County; she is completely displaced because of the problem in this County; she has a  
home that her church, thank God, is coming together to help her repair because clearly, her  
church cares more about her, her welfare, than her County does; and that is a damn shame.  
She stated the County needs to do something about it, and it needs to do it quick.  
Chair Altman stated he knows the County has a lot of work to do; it is a problem that took some  
time to create, it is going to take some time and resources to fix; but the Board hopes that the  
people will be here rooting he or she on as it starts hearing those types of proposals to fix this  
problem.  
A person from the audience stated she thinks the Board should let them speak on this, and  
make an exception.  
Chair Altman remarked they will.  
I.1.  
Board Direction on City of Melbourne’s Request to Amend the Interlocal  
Agreement Governing the Olde Eau Gallie Riverfront Community Redevelopment  
Agency - This item was tabled from November 18, 2025 Board Meeting.  
Meeting went into Recess  
Meeting Reconvened  
Chair Altman stated he knows Commissioner Feltner has been working on this issue.  
Commissioner Feltner stated he would like to hear the cards first; he thinks Melbourne is here  
tonight; and he asked to let them speak to hear what it is they are proposing at this point, and  
then the Board can go on.  
Chair Altman stated the Board will hear the speakers as the cards were filled out, but he thinks  
it would be helpful to first hear from the City of Melbourne.  
Jenni Lamb, City Manager of City of Melbourne, commented after the November 18th County  
Commission meeting, the City of Melbourne City Council had a discussion item on their  
November 25th agenda; they discussed some of the comments that were made from different  
Commissioners, and they came to a consensus; she did send a letter Wednesday, the day  
after the Council meeting, and sort of went over some of those terms; and she will try to do this  
as briefly as possible. She mentioned as far as the sunset date, their Council did agree that  
they could change that from 2038 to 2033; that is in the revised interlocal agreement, that is in  
Section 4; in regards to the number of parking spaces, they heard the concerns about the  
original requirement of the 90 percent of the public; and she does not think she explained that  
properly last time. She stated the basis of the original Agreement where they said 90 percent of  
the originally proposed 300 spaces, and because that was what was originally proposed, in the  
revised, redlined version of the agreement, they have agreed to 270 spaces, which is 90  
percent of the 300; they were back to those original terms; as far as low impact development,  
they did coordinate with their engineering department and the County’s Natural Resources  
Management Department; in looking at that, the City Council agreed to incorporate reasonable  
green infrastructure design elements for the stormwater system for the parking garage project;  
and that is in Section 5. She went on to say in regards to free parking, it was originally 50, they  
had proposed five years of free parking without any type of payment; the current proposal is for  
15 years, no charges, 15 years after it opens; then for the next 10 years, it would be only the  
amount that would capture maintenance costs; the reason the Council came to this decision  
was they recognized there are long-term maintenance and operational costs of the garage; that  
gives a total of 25 years with those restrictions on the unpaid parking; then some of the other  
concerns that were addressed were that there is no fee differential like between City residents  
and non-City residents; and that was included in Section 9D of the interlocal. She stated as far  
as the rate structure, making sure that if rates are charges that they do not exceed what the  
operational and maintenance costs are, and that is in Section 9C; she is not sure if the Board  
received the interlocal agreement, but she has copies if the Board did not receive those; and  
with that she did her presentation in her allotted time.  
Catherine Esrock stated she is a resident of Viera, so District 4, but she is also the Director of  
Brevard Cultural Alliance, which is Brevard County’s designated local arts agency; she wanted  
to speak in support of Eau Gallie Arts District (EGAD) and wanting to see a beautiful, important  
local arts and culture area in the County to be able to grow and thrive even more; she thinks  
that the addition of this hotel and parking structure will make a huge difference in the visitability,  
if that is a word, of EGAD where it will allow folks more of a guarantee to know that they can  
park and get places successfully; and it will create more foot traffic for those local arts and  
culture businesses and hopefully even draw more new arts and culture businesses, local small  
businesses that are really the heart of Brevard County, and what makes them. She went on to  
say there are lots of cultural areas all throughout the County; certainly, EGAD is a fantastic  
place; she thinks the development of this will be transformative for that area; and she  
appreciates the Board’s thoughtfulness in discussing all of the possible options and making  
sure it does this the right and best way for the County.  
Chair Altman stated next is Anouck Jourdaa.  
Commissioner Feltner pointed out she is the artist known as Noon; and she has many paintings  
on display at Urban Prime by the way.  
Ms. Jourdaa stated she actually started working for Brevard Cultural Alliance a few months ago  
having installed art in several of the County’s offices, and she recognizes a lot of familiar faces;  
she expressed her appreciation to the Board for having them tonight; she explained that she  
wanted to speak on behalf of a lot of artists that have approached her regarding EGAD; they  
want to make sure that EGAD thrives and develops the way it was intended to be; they are all  
regretting the disappearance of the Foosaner; and the fact that this museum is gone has  
created a gap in the flow of traffic and the art flow of the whole District. She continued by  
saying she wanted to emphasize the fact that if the Board develops it right, it could take EGAD  
to another level, the level it intended; but if there is no art development regarding this new  
project, the hotel, the parking lot, the Foosaner will be missed; it is still lacking in the unity and  
in the development of all of the beautiful, unique businesses the County has in EGAD; a lot of  
artists used to gather there, connect with the artistic community; the art walks were more  
meaningful when the County had that museum; if the hotel is built, it should be built quickly,  
and restore that flow; and it should also focus a lot on the arts so that EGAD does become a  
destination for arts, and not just a few art stores trying to get attention. She mentioned it would  
drive a lot of tourists thinking they were going to whole districts that are intended to be  
developed focused on the arts; this weekend she is actually going to Miami for Art Basel, which  
is a world-known destination; she is actually attending one of the hotel art shows called Aqua; it  
is a hotel that is turned into a gallery for the art week; she asked why not dream big and  
develop that for EGAD in the long-term; she stated people will get tired of Miami, it is  
overflowing with traffic and too many people; but if the County develops something that is  
unique and is an art district and destination, then the County is nailing it where it needs to.  
Sandra Sullivan stated the Board was just talking about not having money to take care of  
drainage for these poor people, 30 people lost their homes; she asked how many meetings do  
people come to that they hear this over and over again; she stated there is not enough money;  
the County has $2.2 billion deficit in the budget for transportation; and that was as much as the  
entire budget at that time. She went on to say she noticed District 3 has an appropriations for  
$219 million for a new, she presumes, toilet to tap since it is a toilet and water facility; the  
County has sewage plants that are at or over capacity; Port St. John was at 84 percent  
capacity on October 28; it is dumping raw sewage down deep injection wells against the law;  
the County has a critical crisis on infrastructure; and yet, it is going to consider giving $122.1  
million to a developer who wants to build a hotel. She asked since when did the County start  
picking winners and losers; she stated to let free enterprise work the way it is supposed to,  
close all three Community Redevelopment Agencies (CRAs) that have no debt, that is the  
fiscally responsible thing to do right now; for the rest of the CRAs, to negotiate to negotiate with  
them to take on no new debt; they have almost 13 percent more income going into their CRA  
because of the tax increment just this year; no wonder they can pay it off earlier, because they  
have already collected over $6 million since 2021 when it was supposed to be a $6.8 million  
project; earlier this year it went up to $8.7 million, then it went up to $10.5 million, and now it is  
$12.1 million; the Board cannot even make up its mind on how much this thing is going to cost;  
what a joke, the Board is a joke; and she asked where the fiscal conservatives are that the  
people elected to be up there. She added, it is a bad look when this developer gives money to  
the packs to help the Commissioners get elected.  
Adam Conley, City of Melbourne Attorney, stated he is generally just here to answer any  
questions the Board may have; he will add to what Ms. Lamb said, again, to reiterate, the  
redline draft that was presented to the Board last Wednesday represents the work product of  
City staff, based on the consensus direction from the City Council at their November 25th City  
Council meeting to try and negotiate final terms and address the concerns the Board had; the  
only other thing he will point out is the City Council does have the final scheduled Council  
meeting for this calendar year next Tuesday, December 9th; they, at least tentatively, have an  
agenda item scheduled for consideration of this interlocal agreement; and they would certainly  
appreciate any final direction, concerns, and things that the Board has so they can discuss that  
with counsel on the 9th, or at least consider giving Chair Altman and staff the authority to  
finalize negotiations or consider giving staff direction to place this on its December 16 Agenda  
for final approval. He noted he will stand on the points Ms. Lamb made.  
Commissioner Adkinson stated the Board knows, from earlier speakers, that it is looking at  
about 270 spots, which is 90 percent of what is being built here; and the original Agreement  
was 90 percent.  
Mr. Conley advised the City’s goal is to make sure that they have a minimum of 270 dedicated  
public parking spots; the current design for the garage is closer to 542 approximately again, the  
City’s goal right now is to achieve 300 parking spaces; the reluctance to just dedicate 300 here  
is they do not have a final architectural design site plan for the project; they would hate to run  
into a situation where all of a sudden they got to 298; they originally said they would guarantee  
a minimum of 270, then there was a concern from the Commissioners; and the City Council  
was agreeable to increase that number to 270.  
Commissioner Adkinson asked if he is not willing to say 90 percent, because that was going to  
be her next question if there is a chance that this building could get bigger and house more  
spots; she remarked right now 270 is being talked about being 90 percent; but if the thing gets  
bigger with more spots and only 270 was agreed to, that would not be 90 percent anymore.  
Mr. Conley responded the reason they are asking to change that underlying number from a  
percentage to a specific number of dedicated spots is because they have this opportunity to do  
a public/private partnership; the hotel project, as presently proposed and required in the City’s  
code, requires them to have 242 spots dedicated for that use; and those will effectively be the  
hotel’s parking spaces.  
Commissioner Adkinson commented that actually brings her to her to the next question; and  
she asked if the private partner will actually be paying proportionately for the maintenance of  
this building for the spots that are going to be dedicated.  
Mr. Conley replied they have numerous elements of maintenance costs that they have been in  
negotiations with them on certain items; there is an intention for a proportionate share of capital  
maintenance costs; one of the elements that they have been negotiating with them, and as was  
presented at their November 13 Council meeting, was the concept that rather than the hotel  
developer paying an annual lease or license fee for them to cover annual maintenance and  
operating costs, which they estimated somewhere in the value of about $100,000; their  
economic analysis shows that is about on par with what a license or lease fee would be for 240  
spaces in the area; and they are actively negotiating for those costs and trying to work on the  
best deal for the CRA and the City in that regard.  
Commissioner Adkinson stated obviously, she would hate to see residents paying for spots for  
a hotel.  
Mr. Conley mentioned that is certainly not the intention.  
Commissioner Adkinson commented regarding finance, and she does not completely  
understand her question; she asked if there is a staff member who can articulate her question  
better to please feel free; she advised her understanding is there is already $6 million in the  
kitty to build this thing, but they are looking to finance more money; and she is wondering . . .  
Mr. Conley responded the original, existing Interlocal Agreement when it was adopted in 2021,  
anticipated a certain date threshold, the end of fiscal year 2022, at which point any future funds  
beyond that had to go towards debt service; there is language in the existing Interlocal  
Agreement that speaks to a maximum financing amount of $6.8 million; when they include the  
amount that was in the trust fund as of the end of fiscal year 2022, plus the $6.835 million that  
was authorized for financing, it would be a total project number of about $8.935 million; that is  
what is currently allowed under the existing Interlocal Agreement to be used on this project;  
with additional construction costs and so forth, that is not feasible for them, whether it be the  
City and the CRA building its own 300 spaces, or whether there is a contribution for  
public/private partnership to build a larger garage, $8.9 million is not going to do it with their  
understanding and negotiations on the amount of the contribution for the capital amount,  
financing costs, and everything else; yes, they have $6 million effectively in the kitty to use; and  
they are asking for an effective total project budget of just over $12 million to be able to  
contribute both for capital contribution, together with construction inspection services and other  
administrative costs that the City will have for the City’s contribution to the project.  
Commissioner Adkinson asked once people start paying to park there, are they only going to  
charge whatever it is going to cost to maintain the building, or will there be extra.  
Mr. Conley replied the current proposal, and based on the Council’s consensus that he  
received and the direction he received last week, the proposal is for 15 years of free public  
parking, and then an additional 10-year timeframe where the underlying fees are matched at  
what those annual maintenance costs are intended to be.  
Commissioner Adkinson inquired where the money goes after 25 years, the extra money if  
there is any.  
Mr. Conley responded that would effectively be at the discretion of that future City Council.  
Commissioner Goodson pointed out if Commissioner Adkinson does not like their proposal, she  
could make an offer to them for them to go back to their Council and see if they were to agree  
to it.  
Commissioner Adkinson advised she actually has a motion she was going to make, but she  
wanted to make sure the Commissioners had time to ask his or her questions.  
Mark LaRusso, City of Melbourne Councilman, commented the Mayor is here for questions;  
they are very concerned about this; he is the District representative for District 2 from 2004 until  
2012; he thought he was done, but he got pulled back in in 2018, and he is proud to be here;  
he still represents District 2 and Eau Gallie; and they have worked so hard for this District. He  
went on to say in 2004, when he was elected, the place was half shuttered similar to downtown  
Melbourne; everyone knows what they went through in those days; what they are asking for is  
to help them to continue their success; they bring about 50,000 to Eau Gallie every year based  
on EGAD Saturday markets, the eye of the dragon run, and he can go through the whole; just  
three weeks ago, they had the Rocky Water Brewfest, and that brought anywhere from $7,000  
to $8,000 estimated; and he asked where they put them and how do they park. He noted he  
thinks this is an opportunity for them to keep their dollars in their community; it is an opportunity  
for them to help grow what was once a struggling CRA for many years, and is now thriving; as  
they said, they will pull back on the five years on the Sunshine, so that is money back in the  
County’s pocket; they have worked so hard there; there are people who have put their life  
savings into everything down there; the City cannot park the people who go down there,  
Intercoastal, Nomads, Pineapples, Squid Lips, the Board knows them all, they know them all;  
and he is asking for the Board’s consideration and the charging of the parking. He stated he  
had a conversation with Chair Altman earlier today, and there are some variables the City can  
provide for the County’s consideration; with that, he expressed his appreciation to the Board for  
its time; he will go back one more time to construction costs; they have a $12 million project;  
they are water providers as the Board knows; he reiterated they have a $12 million water  
project that they have to do based on non-funded mandates coming down to them in 2020; that  
has turned into $23 million between 2020 and now; and construction, supply chain, and  
everything that goes along with it, and everything the Board is experiencing, the City is  
experiencing as well.  
Chair Altman stated he will talk a little bit about his and Mr. LaRusso’s conversation; he is going  
to bring it to the Board because that was the Board’s last card; as he mentioned last meeting,  
he is not a fan of fee parking, especially when it is unmanned, unstaffed fee parking, or if one  
has to have an app, and if one does not have the right app, he or she has to find out how to  
pay, one has to have the right credit card, then it may not spit out a receipt, and then it goes on  
and on; he likes the way they are doing it in the existing parking garage in the Melbourne  
downtown redevelopment area; it is where they have parking during special events, and have  
staff parking that manages that; it generates significant revenue; and he has no problem with  
that. He explained the City took that approach here, it works, and he appreciates that; he  
agrees with everything the City has said and he is ready to go forward to support this; he thinks  
this is wonderful; having lived a part of his life, and his family moved to this District in 1957, he  
was 18 months old, his family moved him there; the reason the County has this money that this  
district has accumulated is because it has worked; this is good public policy, good decision,  
good government, as well as partnering with its private sector; he is excited for the future; he  
supports this wholeheartedly; and he hopes it can move forward.  
Commissioner Delaney commented she does not have an issue with a hotel and a parking  
garage, she thinks that would be a great addition to the Eau Gallie area; the thing she is still  
struggling with is this money comes out of General Fund; this Board recently got rid of the  
North Brevard Economic Development Zone (NBEDZ) because the County had a critical need  
for its firefighters, which, frankly, it still has; the County also has a critical need for  
infrastructure; this comes out of the General Fund that all pays into; she has a real problem  
that there is a room full of people who have lost their homes, and now the County is going to  
give all of this money to a developer, she just cannot; she is not saying the CRA has not been  
successful or that it is not great, but the County has some real needs in its community, and it  
does not have enough money to go around; it is very frustrating sitting here telling people the  
County does not have enough money to stop the flooding, but telling a developer it has enough  
money for their hotel; and she does not know how to make that make sense.  
Commissioner Feltner advised the money is not going to a developer, it is going to fund a  
parking garage; it is typical that in municipal areas that a parking garage would be similar to a  
road, bridge, or other large infrastructure; that is a typical public good; he thinks the City has  
worked with the County on a couple of things, he thinks 15 years of parking at no charge, the  
next 10 years being strictly dedicated to maintenance fees, no differential in fees, and the  
original 270 spaces; to Chair Altman’s concern about how apps work and those types of things,  
he might suggest, and technology is going to make this a lot easier, but when one parks at  
Orlando International Airport (OIA) now, an e-pass works, and he is sure most people have an  
e-pass; that is seamless, that is pretty easy; and that might be something one would look at. He  
continued by saying what he thinks the Board has in its packet, with the updates that the  
Council considered, he is good with today.  
Commissioner Adkinson noted she has lived here, too, her whole life; Eau Gallie is very cool,  
she goes to every art thing that they have there; a parking garage would be great; her issue is  
not with the project itself, her issue is how the County gets there; there are five different people  
up here, and having been a mediator for 12 years, she would guess each Commissioner would  
negotiate this deal differently; she appreciates the concessions that Melbourne is considering;  
but she would like to make a motion that the Board allows County staff to do their job, and to  
negotiate this contract, this deal, keeping in mind all of the concerns that the Board has.  
Commissioner Feltner stated he would say, he would not make a motion quite yet, but he thinks  
that is what the Board is basically looking for tonight, to give direction to staff to go negotiate.  
Chair Altman stated he supports Commissioner Feltner’s motion, he supports what he has tried  
to build some consensus; and he does not know how different Commissioner Adkinson’s  
motion is.  
Commissioner Adkinson explained the intent of her motion would be not to give staff  
parameters, but to ask staff to do the best that they can for the Brevard residents; she asked if  
this is coming back to the Board; and she stated staff has heard everything that the Board has  
said today.  
Commissioner Feltner advised to start with these minimums and let staff hammer out the rest  
of the details, and bringing it back both to the Council and to the Board; he thinks ending the  
CRA five years early is a benefit to the County, there is no doubt; 270 spaces dedicated to the  
public, he thinks that maintains the original intent, 15 years of no charge, 10 years after that  
just strictly for the maintenance, and no differential in fees; he would say how about that as a  
minimum starting point with the City, let the County and City hammer out those details, and to  
bring it back to the Board; and maybe the OIA e-pass parking scenario will be considered.  
Chair Altman asked if there is a second to the motion.  
Commissioner Delaney asked what about the extra money the City is asking for, about $6  
million.  
Commissioner Feltner noted he thinks if the Board looks at when the CRA ends five years  
early, it could have a discussion about that, but when talking about 2033, he does not think this  
Board can bind the hands of another, that is always a rule; he estimates that in today’s dollars  
be worth $1.8 million; he thinks in 2033 time, it is probably closer to $2.5 million, so it is not  
nothing; he hears Commissioner Delaney on the $6 million; but he thinks the City is working  
with the County.  
Commissioner Adkinson mentioned she thinks staff is asking to get more information and bring  
it back to the Board is important so it totally understands that part of it; and if what  
Commissioner Feltner is making is a friendly amendment and those are minimums, then she  
would accept that.  
Commissioner Feltner stated he will do that as a motion with those minimums that he outlined  
for staff to negotiate with the City and bring back to the Board as a final product.  
Commissioner Adkinson stated she seconded the motion.  
Chair Altman asked if there is any debate on the motion; he stated he wants to say a few  
things, one is that he is very supportive of the CRA and what is happening there; he is against  
shortening the CRA even though the City has agreed to it; that said, he will vote for this motion;  
he is against the fees, but he will vote for this; one does not always get what he or she wants;  
this is an important project; but this needs to move forward.  
Commissioner Feltner pointed out the Board can debate that again when it comes to it, the final  
product.  
Amanda Holland stated she was uninformed about the project until she came in tonight, but  
from what she has heard, she is not very happy; a project is being discussed that started out at  
$6 million, now that amount has been doubled; from what she heard, it was originally from  
2022; there has not been that much to overall increase a project by twice as much in her  
opinion; another thing is the speaker said they were going to have 90 percent of those spaces  
be allocated for people here in Brevard; however, that was 200, almost 300 spaces; and he  
then said they would like to change that number from the original 90 percent to an actual frame  
of 297, and the rest of those spots would be for the hotel. She went on to say he also stated  
that the hotel was going to be paying some kind of money; if the hotel is using these spaces  
and charging for these spaces, then they should be paying for a portion of this overall project; if  
the project has doubled in the amount of timeframe, which is a couple of years, that is kind of  
astronomically insane in her opinion; as a Brevard resident, she knows this area, and yes, they  
do need parking; but to have the overall parking be taxed against them, they already have so  
many spaces; even the beaches are now pay to park, every single one of them; the residents  
do not need to pay $12 million for a parking space that is only going to be allocated, maybe half  
of those parking spaces, to the people, then after a portion of time, those profits are going to be  
used for who knows what in 2033, or whatever he stated; but those funds should be put back  
into the community. She remarked if these funds are being allocated for this project the overall  
proceeds need to come back to the residents, because why is the County spending the money;  
one may say it is for tourism or to spruce up the overall economy, and she says that is bunk;  
there is no reason for the County to be paying double the amount of money for a project that an  
overall real estate developer is also putting funds into, and then allocating the public parking  
spaces to be used by a developer so they can charge the residents more money in less than 10  
years, or whatever the number is going to be changed to; she personally thinks they should be  
paying the $12 million; if the County is going to pay something to it, it should be half of the  
price; and if the overall real estate developer is going to be allocating those spaces, they should  
be paying for that. She noted if the original spaces was 90 percent taxpayer money, then it  
should stay at 90 percent; it should not be allocated to a smaller amount so they can make it  
even larger; the people should have overall say in the funds that are going in here, what it is  
being poured into, what the overall company that is a private real estate developer is adding in;  
the numbers to her are not adding up; she asked how does it double in a couple of years; she  
knows there are tariffs, taxes, and everything else, but that just does not make any sense; and  
she would like to see that overall paperwork before the Board votes on anything.  
Chair Altman explained the Board will get that information at the final vote, it is not voting to  
approve anything, it is just to proceed forward.  
The Board directed staff to negotiate with the City of Melbourne regarding the City of  
Melbourne’s proposed amendments to the Interlocal Agreement governing the Olde Eau Gallie  
Riverfront CRA starting with the following minimum parameters: no differential in fees, ending  
the CRA five years early (2033), dedicating 270 parking spaces to the public, 15 years at no  
charge followed by 10 years of fees dedicated strictly for maintenance fees, and consider the  
e-pass parking; authorized staff to prepare revisions to the Resolution to reflect any  
renegotiated terms in a modified Interlocal Agreement; and directed staff to bring back the  
revised Interlocal Agreement and Resolution to the Board.  
Result: APPROVED  
Mover: Rob Feltner  
Seconder: Kim Adkinson  
Ayes: Goodson, Adkinson, Feltner, and Altman  
Nay: Delaney  
*The Board recessed at 1:29 p.m. and reconvened at 1:44 p.m.  
J.2. Written Request for Public Meeting regarding Draft Permit FL0A00007-002-IW7A  
submitted by Blue Origin, LLC to the Florida Department of Environmental  
Protection (FDEP) for the discharge of 0.49 Million Gallons per Day (MGD) of  
Process and Non-Process Industrial Wastewater to the Indian River Lagoon.  
Chair Altman stated the Brevard County Board of County Commissioners has been asked to  
submit a request to the Florida Department of Environmental Protection (FDEP) for a public  
meeting on this matter; the County has no jurisdiction over the final permitting decision, none,  
which rests exclusively with the FDEP; the Board can give feedback; the first step is it is going  
to vote to ask for a public hearing; so many people here tonight can appeal, be informed, or  
participate in a public hearing; although the FDEP is not obligated to hold a public meeting, the  
Board may make a formal request within the 30-day notice period; this is the purpose of  
tonight’s Agenda Item; should the FDEP grant a public meeting, it would allow all interested  
parties an opportunity to express their concerns and obtain additional information; and he does  
not think a public hearing will hurt. He added the Board probably should ask the legislative  
delegation members to reach out to the FDEP as well because there is a lot of interest in the  
Senate.  
Terry White commented he lives on Merritt Island off of East Crisafulli Road on Joseph Court;  
he has been a Merritt Island resident since 1965, and a North Merritt Island resident since  
1979; the recent storm dropped 20 inches of rain on their house overnight and five more inches  
the next morning; to go into a little bit of history about the pump out there that they are talking  
about; they want the permit that was originally by Sullivan Groves; and many of the  
Commissioners are aware of it. He continued by saying back it was back when they had orange  
groves on the Space Center; all of the orange groves on the Space Center have been gone for  
years; when there was a flooding issue several years ago, he questioned the issue of these  
pumps pushing water into Pine Island Canal; he was told by former Assistant County Manager  
John Denninghoff that they were not operational; but being a badged employee, he could go on  
to Kennedy Space Center, and he verified the pumps were operational, because as well as  
being an employee, he was one of the people that caught the nuisance wild hogs on the Space  
Center and had them removed; and he had access to all of the wooded areas out there. He  
stated at the next meeting Mr. Denninghoff admitted the pumps were operational; but if one  
does not know it, almost all of the stormwater on North Merritt Island goes out through Pine  
Island Canal or the Judson Canal to the south; all water east of State Road 3 and north of Hall  
Road are affected; there are also culverts under State Road 3 that draw water from the west  
side of State Road 3 under the road, and they also pump or flow into Judson; and almost all of  
North Merritt Island is affected by going out through the Pine Island Canal. He noted recent  
stormwaters were flowing north, verified at East Crisafulli and Judson Canal when the County  
pumps at Pine Island were on; when the pumps at Hall Road were on, one could see the water  
flowing south, he or she could just stand there and watch the water moving; the water stopped  
flowing north; upon checking, he found out that the pumps on Kennedy Space Center were  
pushing a large volume of water into the Pine Island Canal, much more water than the County  
pumps could handle; their water level continued to rise even after all of the rains stopped; East  
Crisafulli stayed under water for two weeks after all of the rain; and even with the County  
operating the pumps around the clock, 24/7. He remarked they are being told that Blue Origin  
needs to pump 490,000 gallons of wastewater from their tank verification testing; as being  
Orbiter processing chief and working on flight hardware for 33 years, he was involved with all  
kinds of testing on the Space Shuttle Orbiters and that, and he cannot see a system requiring  
that much water, 490,000 gallons; he just received the notice of the FDEP; and the existing  
pump system that the County has in place at Pine Island struggles to handle the water when  
the County has a storm like this, and there is no way they can take another 15 million gallons a  
month being fed into those pumps, they just will not handle it.  
Julio Torres stated he is here to oppose the additional renewal of the permit to add 50,000  
gallons a day of industrial wastewater by Blue Origin; when he heard about this, it felt like a  
Twilight Zone episode, it is very science fiction, but it has been occurring, he believes, for about  
five years; he has been living in Brevard County for 25 years; when he drives over the Eau  
Gallie Causeway, he loves looking at the Dolphins breach the water, the Osprey’s dive for fish,  
and the Pelicans sit on the surface with a full belly; the wastewater should really be called  
industrial chemicals; it first goes into a retention pond, that retention pond will eventually affect  
the local drinking water, which is full of forever chemicals; and Brevard County has been  
battling the forever chemicals Per- and Polyfluoroalkyl Substances (PFAS) for many years. He  
pointed out once it is in their retention pond, it will affect the local drinking water; if Brevard  
County is investing millions to keep the Indian River clean, this idea will fight that investment; it  
would not make any sense; he expressed his appreciation to the Board for its time; and he  
advised he encourages the FDEP not to renew this permit.  
Gordon England stated he will pass.  
Michael Myjak mentioned he is a member of the Indian River Lagoon Roundtable and he is  
also on Titusville’s Environmental Commission; he has been there for about 13 years now and  
he has been a resident here for over 35 years; he came here to work in the Space Center,  
originally, working in National Aeronautic and Space Administration (NASA) life sciences when  
that was still a thing, and eventually moving on like many do; but he wants to talk to the Board  
about water. He stated he would like for the Board to ask FDEP to deny the permit; St. Johns  
River Water Management District (SJRWMD) just posted that by 2040 the County is going to  
be 96 million gallons a day short, here is a half a day right here; that is almost five percent, it is  
a significant chunk of what is needed; he asked what it is for; the answer they have gotten is  
that it has to do with wash water, washing rockets, and cleaning them up so they can be  
reused; if he wants to wash his vehicle, the place that washes it has to filter, clean, and reuse  
the water; and they do not get to simply dump it into the local waterway. He noted if he has a  
boat in a marina and he wants to wash it, he cannot do it in the water, as he has to manage the  
wash water and the cleanup; if he has an aircraft hangar, an aircraft that he wants to wash, the  
same thing, it is regulated; he inquired why a vehicle that goes up vertically operates any  
differently than one that goes horizontally, whether on water, train, plane, or car; and he  
advised this is the people’s water, their environment that they are talking about saving. He  
stated he talked to the Board last January about how it needs a spaceport authority, like it has  
a port authority for the cruise lines; this is a whole new industry; it is untaxed, unregulated, and  
unmanaged; as everyone just saw, Blue Origin just bypassed Space Florida, NASA, and went  
directly to FDEP for a permit; he asked where the County is; he pointed out the Board  
represents the people; this is their water and environment, and nobody is looking at creating a  
cohesive answer for how to grow this place forward; if the Board does not stand up for a  
spaceport authority, he does not know who will; and this is just the beginning.  
Sandra Sullivan commented a permit is being renewed, and they have a consent order and  
fines for violating, not taking samples for exceedances on the samples; when the Board says it  
cannot do anything, this is FDEPs decision, and she is going to say it can do something,  
because under SOIRLs Ordinance 2016-15, it says, “To ensure compliance with the Indian  
River Lagoon Act”, which is State, applies with the National Estuary Program (NEP), and is  
Federal, “and to reduce, eliminate, and where possible, industrial and domestic wastewater  
discharges to the Indian River Lagoon;” and she stated the second one is “to ensure  
compliance with the Indian River Lagoon Act, Chapter 90-262, also known as the Indian River  
Lagoon Act, reduce or eliminate industrial discharges to the Indian River Lagoon.” She  
continued by saying the Board can now take action on this because it can talk to the State  
Legislators or Federal Congressmen, and he or she can say the Board is bound by this; she is  
talking half a million gallons a day; it is not just them that is in exceedances, SpaceX is also in  
violation, which have consent orders for violating and having exceeded; then they have a  
commerce area and they have an environmental report with that; they are saying stormwater  
management and for performing dewatering or other intrusive work may affect contaminated  
media, they are talking PFAS, forever chemical; and they say additionally, the design  
stormwater management features may require evaluating the potential for increased  
contaminant loading into the lagoonal systems. She asked if the Board knows that under the  
Comprehensive Conservation and Management Plan (CCMP), which is the Lagoon Plan for the  
NEP, approved by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), which is over FDEP, that the  
County is required in its Lagoon Plan to have pollution, which it does not, even though all of the  
PFAS has been discharged at the Cape and Patrick is laden, and it binds to the organic  
material; the County can negotiate with Space Florida to pay for under Ad Valorem tax, a  
stormwater impact fee because the County has huge flooding; she has been to meetings with  
the North Merritt Island residents; the incorporation study says $5 to $10 million a year; require  
them to build their own industrial wastewater treatment plant; it is not on the people of Brevard  
County to pay for Space Florida’s infrastructure; and he stood here in this room and said he  
wanted to use other people’s money, the taxpayers money, and that is unacceptable.  
Amanda Holland stated she has lived in this County for 22 years; when she originally moved  
here, she was visiting her family also here in this area since probably the early 90s, she has  
watched the Lagoon over that time period slowly decline; the County’s overall fishing industries  
and everything has declined during that time period; starting in about 2014, 2015, they started  
actively, herself included, going around and getting signature to increase their taxes here for  
that half cent, which was completed in 2016; for almost the last 10 years, because it does end  
in 2026, they have raised almost $600 million; over 400 projects have been initiated in this  
County to save the Lagoon; there are animals dying left and right, and these pollutions are  
going into their water every single day; and there is a reason why they have seen an increase  
in the blooms of algae and overall animals dying, and it is because of the PFAS, because all of  
the nitrogen and everything else being funneled into the Lagoon. She went on to say the  
County needs to take back the area and fix this, put in restrictions against all of the people who  
are using the Cape, not just Blue Origin, but also SpaceX and the rest of them; it is not just  
one, it will be the rest; once the Board lets one person in, the whole entire gates open, and  
there has been millions of dollars spent to fix this, 10 years almost, in order to make their  
coastal system; 40 percent of the East Coast of Florida is the Lagoon; and it is where the  
majority of their tourism has come for years, not to mention all of the people who enjoy the  
Lagoon, enjoy going out on their boats, and they cannot even eat the fish out of their water  
anymore because of this. She noted the PFAS will never disappear, this is a problem that they  
have created that they need a fix, not the people; the County needs to stop them from any kind  
of permits because again, they did not go to the proper overall channels, instead they bypassed  
all of the people and went to the FDEP; it is up to the County and put its foot down, because  
just like she said, there is an act in this area that prevents them from polluting in their waters;  
and instead, the Board is turning a blind eye and allowing them to pollute, because if she  
remembers properly, this has been going on for six month or longer now at this point. She  
stated it needs to stop; they have seen larger algae blooms throughout the entire summer and  
it will only get worse; there will be massive die-offs, and when that happens, there will be no  
coming back for the overall Lagoon; they have dredged 1.3 million overall phosphates and  
things out of the river to improve that; and in one fatal swoop, all of the hard work will be  
erased, all of that money that has been poured into this County and into this Lagoon.  
Elizabeth Michelman stated she stopped coming to meetings because she did not like the blank  
looks she always gets, like if she was speaking a different language; she asked if people are  
here today because he or she is looking for the Board to get on their side so they could have a  
public meeting to discuss this further; she stated if the Board is not the ‘powers that be’, the  
people needs to speak to those powers; the thing that is very interesting, on the County’s  
Agenda today, on the calendar, there were three documents attached; she asked if the Board  
is aware that one of those documents are from 2022; she mentioned a renewal is being talked  
about; she asked if the Board knows when this was first approved, it was for 3,000 gallons; she  
stated there is a big difference between 3,000 and 500,000; and she asked how this is a  
renewal. She continued by saying there are so many questions, and everybody here is really  
concerned as should all, because she is not voting for the half cent again, she is not doing that;  
she pointed out the County is ruining the value of her home and her quality of life; she wishes  
the Board would just tell the people the facts; she asked will it support the people having the  
public meeting, and will they have that public meeting; and she advised that is what she really  
wants to know.  
Chair Altman explained Ms. Michelman is going to hear that answer real soon, as soon as the  
Board gets through all of these cards; and that is the essence of what is being done.  
Ms. Michelman stated she saw it, read it, and she is concerned; all of these people who can  
bring up the documents and give the Board the raw facts; she asked how much the  
Commissioners have given to Blue Origin since 2015; she noted $66 million, and this is Jeff  
Bezos; she is sick and tired of the billionaires playing the power game, and the people are  
insignificant; the people are thrown aside because they do not care; they get rid of the people  
and they will go someplace else; she is fighting for her home as should everyone; she asked  
for the Commissioners to not look away; she stated this is the truth, this is not hyperbole; she  
asked the Board to do its research; she sure does as she believes in fact checking; and she  
asked if the Board does.  
Stel Bailey remarked what is being talked about tonight is bigger than any single permit, any  
single company, or any single project; they are talking about the future of Brevard County, the  
place he or she lives, love, or place they have invested years of their tax dollar into trying to  
save the Lagoon; that is why they cannot accept being told that these discharges are just a  
trickle or that it is not that much, because this is not just about one permit, this is one piece of a  
very large, very connected system; when all of these permits are stacked on top of each other  
10 years down the road; and they are not talking about a trickle, they are talking about billions  
of gallons of stormwater runoff from these type of permits alone. She added they watched cities  
in Brevard make the same mistake, build first, worry about infrastructure later, and now they  
are paying for it, literally; they are having to rebuild systems that should have been designed  
differently in the first place; if industry wants a stable future, the financially-smart move is to  
deal with the stormwater responsibly now, not after everything breaks; the biggest problem,  
too, is that they do not have an oversight committee; the community has asked for this for  
years; and they still do not have a single body looking at the overall long-term impacts of the  
Spaceport, only piecemeal approvals, one project at a time, as if each facility dumps into its  
own separate universe. She asked where the leadership is in the Brevard’s taxpayers, the  
same taxpayers who have paid to save the Lagoon, because they care enough to fix what is  
broken; she stated there is a pathway forward, there absolutely is; industry and community can  
coexist and thrive if the Spaceport moves out of the 1950s playbook and into the modern age  
of stormwater management; they could be building reservoirs, they could be filtering and  
reusing water; there are thousands of acres in the wildlife refuge to create regional retention  
systems; they are brilliant engineers; and she asked why they are being instructed to dump into  
the Lagoon instead of being challenged to innovate and mitigation. She stated there are not  
enough credits in the entire Indian River Lagoon basin to cover all of the expansion; but those  
credits could be used creatively, repairing dikes, installing wave devices, reopening roads in the  
refuge that have been closed for 15 years, strengthening the refuge, restoring habitat here, not  
sending the Scrub Jays to Fort Meyers, which they are doing, supporting Brevard’s  
Environmentally Endangered Lands Program (EELs), because what happens at the Space  
Center impact them here in Brevard County; and mitigation should benefit them here in Brevard  
County; and she is not asking the industry to stop, she is asking it to lead to be good neighbors  
to be responsible stewards of this land they share, to think bigger, plan smarter, and build a  
Spaceport worthy of the future, not trapped in the past.  
Sara Williams commented she is in opposition of giving any type of further permitting to Blue  
Origin; and she inquired if the Board said it was encouraging a meeting with FDEP.  
Chair Altman replied the Board has the authority to request a public hearing, so the voices of  
the people in Brevard County can be heard.  
Ms. Williams inquired with FDEP or Blue Origin.  
Chair Altman responded FDEP.  
Ms. Williams advised she is in support of that; she did not know if the Commissioners are  
aware that there is additional discharge in this permit, on top of what is obviously polluting  
Lagoon that has very little support by the Brevard residents; and she definitely encourages that.  
Laurilee Thompson stated she does not know how she could say anything any better than what  
Ms. Bailey just said; she is 72 years old, she grew up here, she has been here her whole life,  
played in the river, and fished in the river her whole life; she has watched it go downhill her  
entire life; part of that is because of the impacts from the Space Center from the 1960s;  
unfortunately, they are still using the same 1960s technology when they talk about how to  
manage their stormwater out there; this is a misconception that a healthy estuary can handle  
big surges of freshwater, but that is not true; and it changes the salinity regime. She continued  
by saying too much freshwater can cause egg-hatching failure for important, commercial and  
recreational-harvested fish, it can cause seagrass to not thrive, and it can cause seagrass to  
not even grow; like Ms. Bailey said, this is just the beginning, there are way more companies  
that want to come here, they will all end up with these half million gallons per day permits, and  
when that happens, the County will be looking at not millions of gallons per day, they are going  
to be looking at possibly billions of gallons a day of freshwater going into a system that in the  
Banana River has a two and a half year residency time, and in the Indian River, it has a year  
and a half residency time; all of that freshwater is going to be going into the Lagoon; and it is  
trapped by the causeways and has nowhere to go. She noted the purpose of the meeting  
tonight is to  
request, ask the Board, to beg the Board to please send a letter to FDEP and request a public  
hearing, because they were caught by surprise, they are in the dark; the public has a right to be  
able to confront the people who are asking for this permit, ask them questions, and hear why  
they feel like they need to discharge a half a million gallons of freshwater a day into a system,  
an imperiled waterbody, that absolutely cannot handle it; and she asked the Board to please  
write that letter and put a strong emphasis on requesting a public meeting.  
Andrew Stine mentioned he thinks the Board has to recognize that this is a public property  
issue, the Lagoon is public property; people are founded on a country of property from John  
Lock; John Lock specifically said, public property is a resource held in the common good by  
society; these people own that; the County does not own it and neither does Blue Origin; he  
just disagrees with the Board when it tells the people that it cannot do anything, because he  
read Trump versus CASA; he behests the County Attorney to file an injunction against Blue  
Origin if the Board believes that this should stop, because this is an irreparable harm, as the  
Board heard here today; and this County Attorney can file that injunction, not only against  
FDEP but also against the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA); he asked why it is different in  
Trump versus CASA; and he advised it is a specific person, it is Blue Origin. He went on to say  
it is not a universal injunction; if the County Attorney does not want to file, he will file the  
injunction; he filed hundreds of them in his life; he has tried over 750 cases in his life; he is  
retired right now, but he will file for the people of this County, because he and his daughter fish  
there about two or three times a week; they enjoy the Lagoon, not only to see the wildlife and to  
catch fish, which they do not eat, but because of the recreational purpose that it provides them;  
he understands that Blue Origin wants to dump their chemicals in there, but that is against the  
public purpose, the people of this County, the people of the State of Florida, and the United  
States; it is not only against the people, but he believes it is criminal; if the County is going to  
engage in criminal activity, then just tell the people now and they could all just leave and start a  
whole different petition, because quite honestly, the County Attorney can file an injunction; let  
him read Trump versus CASA, he has read it probably three times; that is what he is here for  
as they are past their prime, but their grandchildren and people who come after them deserve a  
right to use that public property; and not only should there be a hearing, but he would ask the  
Board to have the County Attorney, whose salary is being paid by the people, to start this  
injunction today. He reiterated if the Board does not want to do it, he will file the injunction  
himself; and he is Andrew D. Stine, Esquire.  
Chair Altman asked the County Attorney to address that comment; he is not an attorney, but he  
would assume that one would have to exhaust their administrative remedies before one got a  
ruling; and to exhaust those remedies would probably begin with this public hearing.  
Morris Richardson, County Attorney, responded affirmatively.  
Commissioner Delaney stated she has a question about that; that addresses this discharge but  
what about the discharges that have been happening for God only knows how long.  
Attorney Richardson asked what about them.  
Commissioner Delaney inquired what about all of those discharges, can something be done  
about those or stopping any future discharges of the fresh water into the Lagoon; and is there  
anything the Board could do to stop this from happening; but when it is cleaned, some of it is  
industrial and some of it . . .  
Attorney Richardson stated he cannot answer that in generalities, specific ones would have to  
be talked about; and a lot of areas, the State has preemptions.  
Commissioner Delaney stated what she is asking is what the Board’s authority is.  
Chair Altman noted to let staff get that information, maybe to put her question in writing to give  
the County Attorney time to research that; but the Board still has cards. He advised the bottom  
line is this is a part of the process to do that; this is an administrative hearing that the Board  
hopes it can get; he thinks any court, having been around of lot of these things, would want to  
be sure that the County has exhausted all administrative remedies prior to going to court; and  
this is part of that.  
Jenn Parrish stated she is a resident of Titusville and a small business owner; before listening  
to the Board’s explanation of what this actual Agenda Item is, and listening to some of the folks  
in the audience, she wanted to change what she wants to say today, because after listening to  
the Board’s negotiation-skills of picking a $12 million parking garage over saving people’s  
homes, she is reluctant to know what its written request is going to look like to battle against  
the Federal government; what she saw here tonight lacked the leadership that is needed to  
stand up against the big boys; she inquired what the Board’s strategic plan is; she advised the  
Board has heard some fantastic ideas and some really devastating facts; but some of the  
Commissioners have been sitting on this dais for over a decade; and the people are the  
collateral damage of this. She went on to say the surtax is the collateral damage of failed  
leadership; they are tired; as a business owner, it just blows her mind that she would allow a  
big company to dump water into something where her employees live, thrive, and enjoy their  
lives; to not have a strategic plan is just mind blowing; to see this is listed as new business  
when it is a renewal, just the deception of facts of how it is being presented to the public is so  
unfortunate that it leaves her almost speechless; she asked the Board to have an open forum  
before requesting a meeting to actually have direction from some of this subject matter experts  
that came up here with their time, took the time out of their research, and they have even  
worked in the industry or they live in the muck that the County makes them deal with every day  
because of the Board’s failed decisions year after year; and she stated the next time the  
Commissioners stand in front of a committee or ask a voter for his or her vote, to think about  
what the written request is going to be, because it is not stopping, it is just getting started; and  
it is not fair that the simple solution is to just throw money at the situation when the County is  
not doing anything to fix it. She pointed out they are brilliant enough to send rocket after rocket  
up into the sky, but they cannot figure out a better solution, because they are too cheap; it is  
cheaper to just dump it and let the people continuously pay for it over and over again; and she  
is asking the Board tonight to rather than push forward, make a motion to start the conversation  
with the folks who have to deal with it or pay for it for a strategic plan.  
Sharon MacDonald commented she was very upset with Blue Origin and hearing what was  
happening with the Lagoon; she lives directly on that waterway; when she bought about four  
and one-half years ago, the water clarity was way different; she has pictures where one can  
see the grains of sand, blades on the grass growing underneath, Sheep Head, and fish out the  
ying yang, and they had Dolphins gobbling them up all of the time; she saw vast amounts of  
Dolphins and baby Dolphins; what she has realized is the waste that has been going in all of  
this time she thought was a leak or a sewage thing, but now she realizes that this wastewater  
has been going on for the last four years; they have already had multiple violations, they have  
changed the PH in the water, and every time she goes out, one cannot even see in the water, it  
is brown, murky, green muck; there is no more grass; and she has yet to see a fish in about a  
year. She stated when it was plentiful, one could see that it was thriving, the changes being  
made were good with the Lagoon, and now it is just heartbreaking; it is heartbreaking to see  
the birds looking for fish to eat; they had Ospreys that had babies that came every year, dived  
down, and got all that they needed, but nothing now; she does not want her kids or dogs in the  
water swimming; when there are algae blooms, she does not even want to sit on her back  
porch; it is devastating when one invests in a home on the water for millions; and she will  
probably not ever get that back if the Board continues to let them pollute the waters. She noted  
she wants to fight this, she wants people to care, and it is supposed to be a federally-protected  
sanctuary; it is the only one that exists in the State of Florida; it is where they go to have their  
babies; the Board is stripping that, it is taking it away, and if the Commissioners do not stand  
up for the Lagoon, the Lagoon does not flush, it is a stagnant body of water and when they put  
the wastewater in it, it has nowhere to go, and it is just going to kill everything underneath it;  
she hopes that the Commissioners, whether he or she lives on the water or not, that the Board  
Members just care about the people who live there on Merritt Island, care about the water, care  
about his or her children; she does not want anyone to get sick, it has already been talked  
about that if one has a compromised immune system that he or she should not be in it; she  
hopes the Board cares enough to take this to the EPA, make it happen; and they have ways to  
treat all of the water or will find ways to do it, and not dump it in the Lagoon.  
Commissioner Feltner stated he has two things the Board might add if it would; one, he thinks  
copies should be sent of the Board’s request to the Legislative Delegation, he thinks they  
should have that sent to them directly so they can see that; he also thinks if the Board is going  
to request them to do a public meeting, the Commission should probably remove the barriers  
for them to do that as much as possible; to that end, he would suggest the Board maybe even  
take it upon itself to contact Eastern Florida to see if the meeting could be hosted at something  
like the Simpkins Center in Cocoa, he thinks that is the closest, large venue to Merritt Island;  
expecting them to say they will have a public meeting and then find the venue is just an extra  
step; and maybe if the Board does that on their behalf, it would go a long way to them  
considering it. He advised those would be his two suggestions.  
Chair Altman asked if that is on the Cocoa Beach BCC Campus.  
Commissioner Feltner replied right.  
Chair Altman stated that is a motion, and he asked if there is a second.  
Commissioner Adkinson stated she seconded the motion.  
Commissioner Delaney asked what the Board’s authority is here; and with the Indian River  
Lagoon Act, does that give the Board any added authorities.  
Attorney Richardson explained the County’s authority right now with regard to the permit is to  
request a public meeting and to submit comments within 30 days of the notice of publication.  
Commissioner Delaney inquired even with the Indian River Lagoon Act.  
Attorney Richardson replied affirmatively.  
Someone from the audience stated the County is a member, it pays $20,000 a year.  
Commissioner Delaney asked since it is a protected national estuary, how have they been  
allowed to do this for so long, and if Attorney Richardson is telling her the Board does not have  
any authority to do anything about it.  
Attorney Richardson responded he is telling Commissioner Delaney that right now the County’s  
authority and what is before the Board is to request a public meeting and to submit comments  
within 30 days of the notice of publication; and the County is on the clock, and it has to do that.  
Commissioner Delaney noted right, she understands what Attorney Richardson is saying.  
Attorney Richardson stated anything else is a bigger picture . . .  
Commissioner Delaney interjected by saying excuse me.  
Attorney Richardson stated that the Board has to look at and . . .  
Commissioner Delaney asked Attorney Richardson to excuse her, what she is saying is she  
understands what he is saying, but she is asking in general, she is sorry, this is personal; there  
a people in this room right now that are cancer survivors from the chemicals that are in the  
community, so this is personal; and she does not appreciate being spoken over.  
Commissioner Delaney advised one can laugh at her all she wants, but . . .  
Chair Altman pointed out he does not think anybody is speaking . . .  
Commissioner Delaney stated he did speak over me.  
Chair Altman stated he is speaking, he is the Chair.  
Commissioner Delaney reiterated he did speak over me.  
Chair Altman noted he is speaking over her, he is the Chair; he thinks the Board needs to have  
decorum and courtesy, and he heard that; and he is trying to answer her question.  
Commissioner Delaney mentioned he is not.  
Chair Altman stated he might make another point, the Board is not successful in achieving its  
ends by wasting its time, it has a process; the Federal government has a process; and the  
process it is in right now, and he thinks that was the answer to Commissioner Delaney’s  
question, is the FDEP has a public hearing; he thinks one is going to see this Board  
overwhelmingly ask them to have this public hearing; they could deny its request, but this is  
what needs to be done now; and he thinks the Board would be misleading the public if it were  
to say there was something else it could do. He went on to say what the Board has now is the  
ability to ask for it; he does have a question related to that to Commissioner Feltner and the  
staff; and he asked if the Board is asking staff to comments in the public hearing, because he  
thinks staff would need the Board’s approval to do so.  
Commissioner Feltner asked if it is with the meeting the Board is requesting with FDEP.  
Chair Altman advised right, they would have to agree to a public hearing before asking staff to  
comment, so one step at a time.  
Commissioner Feltner stated he thinks so, and that is why he wanted to send copies to the  
Legislative Delegation and suggest the Center.  
Commissioner Goodson remarked the Governor, too.  
Commissioner Feltner advised he will amend that to send to the Governor’s office; he thinks  
the timeframe that the Board has to do this, by December 18th he thinks it is, there still is a  
legislative session ahead of it; take this step, and if they deny it, then potentially petition the  
Legislature during session; he thinks that would be the pragmatic way to go forward with this  
issue; session is after this, session is January, February, so he thinks if FDEP says back to the  
Board that no it is not going to do this, he thinks that is a lot easier, also after sending a letter to  
the Delegation to petition them to say this is where the County is, this is where FDEP’s  
response is, it has a potential legislative fix, or it would like to see this, or the Board would like  
them to take an action; and to take those steps would be the proper way to do it, so tonight for  
the Board to send the letter, suggest the meeting, and the venue, send copies to the  
Delegation, and Commissioner Goodson’s friendly amendment to the Governor.  
Commissioner Delaney asked what this letter is going to say.  
Commissioner Feltner replied it is requesting the public hearing, he thinks that is what the  
Board is looking for.  
Commissioner Delaney inquired if she could make an amendment, or another motion, after this  
motion that the Board send some kind of statement from this body how it feels as a County  
Commission.  
Commissioner Feltner stated let the Board send the letter; the next Commission meeting it  
could have on the Agenda a similar letter, because he thinks the Board has one tonight that it is  
going to think about on Board Reports to send a letter; and he thinks that would give  
Commissioner Delaney time to draft a letter for the rest of the Board to see it, and then it could  
consider that at the next Commission meeting.  
Commissioner Delaney commented she thinks it is . . .  
Chair Altman stated he thinks that is a good idea.  
Commissioner Feltner mentioned there is nothing in front of the Board in fairness.  
Commissioner Delaney stated that is fine, she does not mind.  
Mr. Liesenfelt stated there is a little format in the letter, so he is asking Virginia Barker, Natural  
Resources Management Director, to highlight some of the subjects put into the letter.  
Ms. Barker explained the State requirements, in order to request to consider in making a  
decision about whether to hold that meeting, and identify rules or Statutes that require reversal  
or modification of the Department’s action or proposed action; and in the Board’s packet were  
the comments that were submitted in 2002 to Blue Origin when they submitted, so staff would,  
at a minimum, need to identify some of those same facts of why FDEP should hold a public  
meeting.  
Mr. Liesenfelt stated also in the package is a letter from 2022, and the County asked for a  
similar public hearing he thinks for SpaceX.  
Ms. Barker advised yes, SpaceX.  
Mr. Liesenfelt continued by saying and it speaks about the impact to the Lagoon, so it would be  
a different situation, similar format, and similar language in that.  
Commissioner Feltner noted he will split things here with Commissioner Delaney; he does not  
see any reason why the public comments could not be sent from this meeting, advising these  
are the comments received at the Board’s meeting, along with it; they have already done that  
on the record; he thinks it would take staff a little time to type it up; but he thinks it could  
probably get that done.  
Mr. Liesenfelt stated he did not want to steal the thunder from the Clerk, but he was going to  
ask about that.  
Commissioner Feltner asked if Commissioner Delaney would be amenable to that.  
Commissioner Delaney responded she will write something up as well, she could even  
assemble . . .  
Commissioner Feltner interjected by saying things could continue to be added; there is a clock  
here and the Board wants to make sure that it is timely; and he asked if he should restate that.  
Mr. Liesenfelt commented the Commissioners can send out individual requests on his or her  
own.  
Morris Richardson, County Attorney, pointed out anyone in the audience can send in written  
comments, and there are directions on doing that in the notice that is attached to the Agenda  
item for tonight’s meeting, anyone can send in individual written comments to FDEP, he or she  
just has to it before December 8; in the Agenda Package for this Item, he thinks it is the first  
attachment, which is a published notice that has the address of the place to send it to and the  
format it has to be put in because there is certain information that needs to be provided to them  
when making the comments; but he or she can do that individually, everyone in this room can  
do that.  
Someone in the audience is speaking and it is inaudible.  
Chair Altman stated he appreciated the person speaking from the audience bringing up the  
website because that is extremely transparent; anyone can go to the website and see that; and  
he asked if there is any other discussion.  
Commissioner Delaney asked if there is any way the Board could maybe put that information  
on a Facebook post; and she stated that would make it really accessible for folks and they  
would not have to go through the website.  
Mr. Liesenfelt exclaimed if the Board gives staff direction, they can do that.  
Commissioner Feltner stated the amendment can be included that the notice be taken on the  
other side, and put that on the County’s Facebook page, just that notice as it is here.  
Mr. Liesenfelt advised staff will get with Don Walker, SCGTV Director, to figure out how to  
format that properly.  
Commissioner Feltner stated he will include that in his amendment.  
Commissioner Goodson stated the only other way to get rid of this stuff is deep well injunction;  
and he asked if that is correct.  
Ms. Barker replied or treatment and recycling.  
Chair Altman asked the audience, as the Board has given people an hour of public input, and  
the Board is now deliberating here, to not shout out from the audience as it disrupts the Board’s  
communication and what it is trying to do.  
Commissioner Goodson stated either reuse or deep well injection; he asked if deep well  
injection is too expensive; and being the richest man in the world, if that would be his thoughts.  
Ms. Barker replied it is expensive.  
Commissioner Goodson pointed out Cocoa Beach and the Port does it.  
Ms. Barker advised Brevard County does it.  
Commissioner Goodson asked the other issue he would like to know, not that he agrees with  
the extension of this permit, he does not like it because the County is getting taxed to clean it  
up, and they are polluting it, so he is against all of this, but how often does Brevard County  
check its outflow on Pine Island Road as far as improprieties or sewage.  
Ms. Barker responded the County does not do regular testing; the volumes are looked at  
because of the flooding issues, but it does not test the water quality on a regular basis.  
Commissioner Goodson asked if they test the water quality.  
Ms. Barker replied they test the water quality at the affluent, at the end of the pipe.  
Commissioner Goodson asked the outflow pipe into the lake.  
Ms. Barker responded yes, the outflow pipe into the stormwater.  
Commissioner Goodson inquired what if it is bad, do they cut it off.  
Ms. Barker responded no, they submit a report to FDEP stating what the values were.  
Commissioner Goodson asked if they still pump it into the lake and then it overflows into the  
Lagoon.  
Ms. Barker replied affirmatively.  
Commissioner Goodson remarked fantastic, he thinks they are doing a wonderful job.  
Commissioner Delaney asked if Attorney Richardson could get for the Board more information  
about these laws, the Indian River Lagoon Act, all this stuff about the National Estuary, what  
those acts are supposed to be protecting, and what authorities are put into those laws; she  
noted the Board needs a briefing on this because there has to be something the Board can do  
to stop the pollution in the community; and she is just asking to look into these laws and see if  
there is anything that it could be doing that it is not.  
Attorney Richardson replied sure.  
The Board approved and authorized the Natural Resources Management Director, on behalf of  
the Board, to submit a letter, with written comments to FDEP, including the public comments  
from this meeting, requesting a Public Hearing with FDEP regarding the Draft Permit  
(FL0A00007-002-IW7A), submitted by Blue Origin, LLC, for the discharge of 0.49 MGD of  
process and non-process industrial wastewater to the IRL, with copies going to the Governor’s  
Office and to the Legislative Delegation; authorized staff to contact Eastern Florida State  
College requesting use of the Simpkins Center in Cocoa as the location for the Public Hearing;  
and directed staff to place the public notice on the County’s Facebook page.  
Result: APPROVED  
Mover: Rob Feltner  
Seconder: Kim Adkinson  
Ayes: Delaney, Goodson, Adkinson, Feltner, and Altman  
K.  
PUBLIC COMMENTS (Individuals may not speak under both the first and second  
public comment sections.)  
Jason Baughman stated he lives on Bryn Mawr Drive, in Westwood Villas there; he moved in  
two years ago and it did flood back there; it flooded all the way up to his driveway; they came  
and cleaned out the ravine behind his house, which runs Bryn Mawr, Barbara Lane, and Daryl  
Terrace; when they did that, it pushed all of the dirt up into the backyard; and therefore, his  
yard would flood in the back when it rains. He went on to say a year ago when a hurricane  
came through it knocked down some of the trees back there and now they are still in the ravine;  
the ravine has not been cleared out in the two years since, so there is a lot of debris in there  
that does need to be cleaned out; that is continuously all the way through to wherever it goes,  
he does not know exactly; this time when it rained in October his house took on a little bit of  
water; Dale Berry, his neighbor who spoke earlier, took on 18 inches; he had just a little bit in  
his house; but his shed is downhill, it is more of a carport kind of shed in the backyard, he had  
20 inches in there; his car was parked in there while he was out of town for a couple of months;  
he flew back to take care of it, and he had six inches in the car above the floorboards; and he  
had to take that apart. He noted his pressure washer, lawn mower, and all of that was  
completely submerged underwater, so yes, this is an ongoing problem; Westwood Street looks  
like it is from up north where it is just full of potholes; at the corner of Bryn Mawr and  
Westwood, and at the corner of Kirby and Bryn Mawr, it is constantly wet; it has not rained in  
two weeks, but one can drive there and see the water constantly flowing out of the yards and  
into the street; the potholes and all of the patchwork that has been done is just bad; and mainly  
one of the things they need is for the ravines to be cleaned out.  
Nancy Albritton commented she wanted to talk with the Board about Road and Bridge; Road  
and Bridge came by today to check to see if they were there to clean, get the evacuation truck  
to vacuum out the ditch; come to find out, Road and Bridge only has 17 people to maintain all  
of the way from Brevard County line all of the way down here; they have equated equipment  
that when it breaks, somebody from Viera has to go all the way to Titusville to fix their  
equipment and what happened is they are having a hard time cleaning this ditch out, because  
when the machine goes down the ditch, it has a bucket, and when they go to dump the bucket,  
they dump it in people’s yards instead of a truck or something that they can put it in, so  
everybody flooded  
Out. She continued by saying Road and Bridges narrowed the ditch when they redid the ditch;  
she thinks it was five or seven years ago, because they put a new concrete, they put a new  
culvert in on Kirby Drive; they also put one from the lady, Brianna Robinson’s property that  
overflowed her pond; they put it in, the lady who spoke, Diane, they put it in her backyard and  
the day of the rain, the neighbor that lived there, cleaned that drain out, and yes, the water  
came fast and furious, but with all of the debris and everything, the drains could not handle it  
from the pond overflowing, not from the rain. She advised she was very fortunate, her house  
did not get it, but it came down her driveway just like falls; one of their neighbors had to file  
bankruptcy because his house has been flooded twice; his newborn baby, his new wife, they  
had to leave, their car was parked in the road and the water came up from the houses so fast  
that it moved his car all the way to the culvert; it was terrible; and Winn Dixie was a mess, the  
Winn Dixie parking lot. She stated she came in her husband’s big four-wheel drive truck, and  
that is the only way she got in; he begged her not to come; she said she knows that area, she  
has been living there all of her life; she has lived in this house 30 years, and twice she has  
seen this water; and she asked the Board to please help them.  
Amanda Holland stated she wanted to comment about Turkey Creek and the overall preserves  
that the County has; they are disappearing on a massive scale for overall real estate  
development; a lot of those areas have been rezoned as commercial so that they can put in as  
many condos and apartments as they possibly can; she has now watched a good half, she  
thinks, of Turkey Creek near her home, be completely demolished; and all of the Gopher  
Turtles and other animals that live in that area did not get an eviction notice, they are animals,  
and they just got bulldozed. She went on to say as the Board knows, Gopher Turtles are one of  
those endangered species that are vital for Florida as it burrows and allows other animals a  
place for them, not only to live in regular conditions, but also during fires and other things like  
that; for the County losing those Gopher Turtles and those reserves are impacting the  
ecosystem on a massive scale; she does not think the County needs anymore of these cookie  
cutter houses that are made out of wood that will not even deal with a hurricane; what it really  
needs is to care about the animals and what it already has; that sanctuary has been there  
probably even longer than Pam Bay as it stands; the Scrub Jays were used as a way to go  
ahead and keep them in there; but now they are looking at getting rid of the area over there on  
Malabar; they already have it closed where it cannot be walked through; and she would hate to  
see Turkey Creek as a whole completely disappear, as now the County only has maybe three  
small sections left, at least in her area, but she is sure it is a little bit larger than what she is  
thinking. She advised she would like to see some kind of development in actually protecting  
those key systems that are in the County preserves, like the overall Gopher Turtles, as there  
has been a lot of relocating of Gopher Turtles, and/or removal entirely that have just been met  
with fines; she thinks it would be better if the County actually put in maybe more restrictions  
against these corporations where they cannot build in these areas where these Gopher Turtles  
live, because those sanctuaries are vital, and the County has very small pieces of them left;  
she has watched at least three of them being bulldozed in just the last five years; it is very sad  
to her; it has changed not only the way the County incur during hurricanes, because the  
hurricanes now when they come through no longer have that protection of that forestry that was  
cutting down the winds and the overall tornados the County was getting; and ever since then,  
the County has gotten more tornados, more devastating wind forces that have come from those  
hurricanes due to the fact that the infrastructure has been lost of the sanctuaries.  
Chair Altman pointed out the County did make the acquisition for the Turkey Creek Sanctuary  
using Environmental Endangered Lands (EELs) money; this year in the budget the Board  
increased bonding capacity for EELs; the Board will have some debate about whether to  
extend that program and the type of things Ms. Holland wants to protect, that money can be  
used; and hopefully, the Board can get her support then, too, as he appreciates what she said.  
L.3. Katie Delaney, Commissioner District 1  
Commissioner Delaney explained she wanted to put out there for everybody who is watching,  
as just a reminder, that January 1 is when the Speak up Brevard Program opens up, so there is  
about a month for everybody to get their ideas together and get those things ready to submit;  
she is really excited about this program; and hopefully, there can be another workshop this year  
if there is Board support to do that. She mentioned earlier there were some people who talked  
about having a public workshop to get input from the public about how the County moves  
forward with the space industry; like many people said, people do not want the space industry  
to go anywhere, but he or she just wants them to be good neighbors; she feels like the Board  
needs to get public input about how the people want the County to move forward with that  
discussion, so she is proposing that the Board have a workshop to get public input into that  
discussion; and she does not know if there is any support for that.  
Commissioner Feltner stated he would like to see what the response is from the letter from the  
Board requesting the public meeting; he is not against Commissioner Delaney there; and he is  
just wanting to see how this plays out.  
Commissioner Delaney stated that meeting has to do with this issue, but there are so many  
things that are going on; the wastewater treatment plant discussion has kind of dissipated; she  
had a conversation with Space Florida, they filled her in on some dynamics that they have to  
deal with out on the Space Center, and dealing with all of the entities; she really thinks it is past  
time that the Board figures out how to get Brevard County Commissioners in a roundtable with  
the Space Industry so that there is more cohesiveness and to get on the same page for the  
future because like so many people said, they are operating in the 1950s with their  
infrastructure and some of the practices that are going on; and that is just not going to work  
anymore, as there are too many people here now.  
Chair Altman noted he thinks that is a good idea in the long run, the County does need to open  
that dialogue; the County probably ought to reach out to Economic Development Commissioner  
of Florida’s Space Coast (EDC) and Space Florida; maybe the Board should wait as tomorrow  
they are actually going to begin the hearings for the confirmation of the new National  
Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) administrator, so there is not an administrator to  
talk with; the County can look at that as it goes down the line and maybe give the chance for  
the Board to give some additional input; but he thinks it has merit, it is a big issue, it is huge;  
and it is very important to this area, to the country, and to society, so he thinks it should move  
forward, but to give it a little bit of time.  
L.6. Rob Feltner, Commissioner District 4  
Commissioner Feltner stated today he went to a funeral in Indian River County celebrating the  
life of Sergeant Terri Sweeting-Mashkow, a 25-year Deputy that was shot over an eviction  
issue, along with a locksmith who was 76 years old, also shot in the shoulder was another  
Deputy Arizpe, who was also a 25-year Deputy, as he defended his partner and the locksmith;  
in attendance was the Governor, Lieutenant Governor, and CFO Blaze Angolia; there was  
about 3,500 people at a hangar in Vero Beach; it was a very moving tribute; members of  
Brevard’s law enforcement were there; and Fire Rescue participated in the Honor Guard. He  
pointed out it was a very moving experience; Ms. Sweeting-Mashkow was the second Deputy in  
their 100-year history to be killed in the line of duty; as the Sheriff said, that is two too many; it  
was very well done; and he knows it was a very difficult thing for them down there, so hearts go  
out to Indian River County and to their families.  
L.7. Thad Altman, Commissioner District 5, Chairman  
Chair Altman commented he has a letter that was handed out to the Board; it is a letter that the  
Transportation Planning Organization’s has requested that the County send a letter in support  
of the application submitted by the City of Cocoa and Space Coast Transportation Planning  
Authority for the intercity passenger rail program project; and he wanted to make sure that  
Board knew that that letter was being sent for their approval.  
The Board authorized the Chair to sign and submit a letter to the Office of the Secretary of  
Transportation in support of the application submitted by the City of Cocoa and Space Coast  
Transportation Planning Organization (SCTPO) for United States Department of Transportation  
(USDOT)/FRA Federal State Partnership (FSP) for intercity passenger rail program for projects  
not located on the northeast corridor, FSP-National.  
Result: APPROVED  
Mover: Rob Feltner  
Seconder: Kim Adkinson  
Ayes: Delaney, Goodson, Adkinson, Feltner, and Altman  
Thad Altman, Commissioner District 5, Chairman  
Chair Altman stated as a new Chair, he is looking to make some Board appointments; he  
provided the Board with a list of the appointments, as follows: The Central Florida Expressway  
Authority, District 1 is the representative there, and a two-year appointment; East Central  
Florida Regional Planning Council, he would like to appoint District 3 as the alternate and  
himself as the member; Economic Development Commission, he would like to continue his role  
there and appointment himself as a member; Election Canvassing Board would be District 2  
and then Danielle Stern would be the alternate; the entire Board are members of the Florida  
Association of Counties; Indian River Lagoon Council would be District 3, with District 1 as the  
alternate; Brevard Flagler Volusia Workforce Development Commissioner would be District 4;  
Public Safety Coordinating Council would be District 4; Public Safety Council would be District  
4; Tourism Development Council would be District 4; Affordable Housing Advisory Committee  
would be District 3; Transportation Planning Organization would be the entire Board; the Value  
Adjustment Board (VAB) would be Districts 3 and 5; and there are only three of these the  
Board has to vote on.  
Commissioner Delaney stated she served on the East Central Florida Regional Planning  
Council last year; she wanted to let Chair Altman know that she is willing to continue to serve  
on that; and she just did not know with the Chair’s and Commissioner Adkinson’s schedules if  
that would work for them to serve on this board; she has no problem, she did not miss one  
meeting; but she just wanted to put that out there.  
Chair Altman expressed his appreciation to Commissioner Delaney for her service there; but he  
is looking forward to going back as he has served there before.  
Commissioner Feltner asked if Lee Constantine was still there.  
Chair Altman replied affirmatively.  
Commissioner Goodson pointed out that the Board of Adjustment just approved an 85-foot sign  
on State Road (SR) 528 with no consideration to Merritt Island Redevelopment Agency (MIRA)  
or the Board; and he would like to know if the Board can pull that and make them come back to  
the Board, because 85-foot wide sign is pretty damned big to advertise their parking for cruise  
lines.  
Chair Altman advised that is not the VAB that did that.  
Morris Richardson, County Attorney, advised it was the Board of Adjustment issued a sign  
variance.  
Commissioner Goodson asked if they have the rights to do that.  
Attorney Richardson replied they have the authority, but he has an attorney in his office who  
works with MIRA looking right now whether everything was done properly and in accordance  
with the Code requirements.  
Chair Altman asked if they have to demonstrate a hardship.  
Attorney Richardson responded they do, that is one of six different criteria they have to  
establish at the hearing before the Board of Adjustment; and he found out about this yesterday,  
and they are looking at it now just to make sure that they met all of the applicable criteria.  
Commissioner Feltner asked if this is an existing sign.  
Attorney Richardson replied no; there is an existing, he thinks it is a grandfathered maybe  
non-conforming billboard at the site that right now has a Ron Jon ad on it; but the variance  
requested it would be visible in relation to that is his understanding.  
Commissioner Goodson pointed out if this is allowed to happen, there will be every strip club in  
Cocoa Beach with a sign up.  
The Board appointed Commissioner Delaney to serve as Commissioner Liaison to Central  
Florida Expressway Authority, Florida Association of Counties (FAC), FAC Board of Directors  
for District 19, Alternate for Indian River Lagoon Council, and Transportation Planning  
Organization (TPO) for 2026.  
The Board appointed Commissioner Goodson to serve as Commissioner Liaison to Election  
Canvassing Board, Florida Association of Counties (FAC), and Transportation Planning  
Organization (TPO) for 2026.  
The Board appointed Commissioner Adkinson to serve as Commissioner Liaison to East  
Central Florida Regional Planning Council (ECFRPC), as alternate, Florida Association of  
Counties (FAC), Indian River Lagoon Council, Affordable Housing Advisory Committee,  
Transportation Planning Organization (TPO), and Value Adjustment Board for 2026.  
The Board appointed Commissioner Feltner as Commissioner Liaison to Florida Association of  
Counties (FAC), Brevard/Flagler/Volusia Workforce Development Consortium, Public Safety  
Coordinating Council, Tourism Development Council (TDC), and Transportation Planning  
Organization (TPO) for 2026.  
The Board appointed Chair Altman as Commissioner Liaison to East Central Florida Regional  
Planning Council (ECFRPC), Economic Development Commission (EDC), Danielle Stern, as  
alternate, to Election Canvassing Board, Florida Association of Counties (FAC), Transportation  
Planning Organization (TPO), and Value Adjustment Board (VAB) for 2026.  
Result: APPROVED  
Mover: Kim Adkinson  
Seconder: Tom Goodson  
Ayes: Delaney, Goodson, Adkinson, Feltner, and Altman  
Thad Altman, Commissioner District 5, Chairman  
Upon consensus of the Board, the meeting adjourned at 7:56 p.m.  
ATTEST:  
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RACHEL M. SADOFF, CLERK  
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ROB FELTNER, CHAIRMAN  
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS  
BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA