Rollcall

Commissioner District 1 Katie Delaney , Commissioner District 2

Tom Goodson, Commissioner District 3 Kim Adkinson,

Commissioner District 4 Rob Feltner, and Commissioner District 5

Thad Altman

Present:

PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE: Commissioner Tom Goodson, District 2

Commissioner Goodson led the assembly in the Pledge of Allegiance.

MINUTES FOR APPROVAL: January 14, 2025 Regular Meeting; February 11, 2025

Regular Meeting; February 25, 2025 Regular Meeting

The Board approved the January 14, February 11, and February 25, 2025, regular meeting

minutes.

Result: APPROVED

Mover: Katie Delaney

Seconder: Thad Altman

Ayes: Delaney, Goodson, Adkinson, Feltner, and Altman

E.2. Resolution acknowledging and honoring Commander K9 Junny in his faithful

service to Brevard County Sheriff’s Office. - District 4

Chairman Feltner read aloud, and the Board adopted Resolution No. 25-021, acknowledging

and honoring Commander K-9 Junny in his faithful service to Brevard County Sheriff’s Office.

Sheriff Wayne Ivey, Brevard County Sheriff’s Office, expressed his appreciation for the

Resolution recognizing Junny; he stated this has been probably the toughest couple of weeks

of his life; no one imagined what Junny’s persona would become in Brevard County, and all of

the things that he did, from being involved with allowing pets to be in domestic violence

injunctions, to helping protect animals, to helping many different programs; Junny did it all; he

thanked the Board for recognizing not only Junny, but the legacy that carries on of Junny Rios

Martinez; and he also wanted to thank the citizens for the out pouring of love, thoughts, and

prayers that everyone has thrown to the Sheriff’s Office. He noted it is no secret that dog went

with him everywhere and he is honored to accept this Resolution on his behalf; and he

reiterated the appreciation for how much this Board and the community loved Junny; and it has

eased the pain of losing him.

Result: ADOPTED

Mover: Katie Delaney

Seconder: Kim Adkinson

Ayes: Delaney, Goodson, Adkinson, Feltner, and Altman

E.1. Resolution recognizing April 2025 as Child Abuse Prevention Month - District 5

Commissioner Altman read aloud, and the Board adopted Resolution No. 25-022, recognizing

April 2025 as Child Abuse Prevention Month.

A representative of Child Prevention expressed her appreciation for the recognition; she

mentioned they plant pinwheels in honor of Brevard’s children; it represents a happy, healthy,

whimsical child and that is what every child in Brevard County deserves; the Child Abuse

Prevention Task Force of Brevard is made up of wonderful organizations represented here

today, Children’s Advocacy Center, Guardian Ad Litem, Family Partnerships of Central Florida,

and many others that are working tirelessly to ensure that the children are growing up happy

and healthy; and they thank the community again, for supporting this initiative that the pinwheel

does represent, and that people can make a difference.

Result: ADOPTED

Mover: Katie Delaney

Seconder: Thad Altman

Ayes: Delaney, Goodson, Adkinson, Feltner, and Altman

Commissioner Altman stated he wants to thank those who have dedicated their lives to protect

the children, there is no greater cause or greater purpose than protecting the children and

ensuring they are given the fullest lives possible.

E.3. Resolution Proclaiming April 2025 as Fair Housing Month (District 1)

Commissioner Delaney read aloud, and the Board adopted Resolution No. 25-023, recognizing

April 2025 as Fair Housing Month.

Rusty Melle, a representative of Space Coast Association of Realtors, expressed his

appreciation for the Resolution; and he stated everyone knows what a fundamental right and

the importance of this for the workforce and families in Brevard County.

Result: ADOPTED

Mover: Katie Delaney

Seconder: Thad Altman

Ayes: Delaney, Goodson, Adkinson, Feltner, and Altman

E.4. Presentation by United States Army Corps of Engineers (USACE) to provide an

update to Environmental Assessment and Response for the Naval Air Station

Banana River Off-Base Disposal Area designated as a Formerly Used Defense

Site (FUDS) - District 4

Marc Bernath stated on February 7, 2023 the Board authorized the right-of-entry to begin an

environmental assessment for the former Naval Air Station Banana River Off-Base Disposal

Area in South Patrick Shores; and tonight Rebecca Lee Duffle from the Army Corp of

Engineers and Brad Tompa are here to briefly present next steps which include digging test

pits in the community later this month.

Rebecca Lee Duffle, project manager for the Formerly Used Defense Site, stated these are the

conclusions from the preliminary assessment; right now where they are in the Comprehensive

Environmental Response, Compensation, and Liability Act (CERCLA) phase is Remedial

Investigation (RI); that is what is being done with the test pits right now; the reason for the RI, it

is not a removal action, they are not looking for things to remove, but to identify the nature and

extent of potential Navy-related impacts; the results and data from this Feasibility Study (FS) is

going to determine what is done in the future at this site; she explained it is hard to see, but the

test pits are on the map; they use ground-penetrating radar to find the best locations to dig the

test pits; and they have gotten property owner's permission to do the test pits. She continued

by saying they will document conditions before and after, mark utilities, and there will be a small

excavator to dig the trench, which will be about 10 feet and go down about six to eight feet;

once that data is received, it will determine the next steps which would be soil sampling,

analysis, and groundwater sampling, if necessary; there has been a lot of communication with

the public, letters, postcards, drop in meetings, and telephone calls; the test pits are starting

April 2025, they will start next week in the field; she and Mr. Tompa will be there to do

oversight; and based on those results, they will do soil borings in the summer of 2025.

Commissioner Delaney thanked Ms. Duffle for the update; and she asked if this is Satellite

Beach.

Ms. Duffle confirmed it is.

Commissioner Delaney asked if any of the test pits are going to be on the high school.

Ms. Duffle advised they are not.

Chairman Feltner stated obviously once they compile all of that information then they will have

to decide what that means; and he asked if she would tell the Board what happens next.

Ms. Duffle replied they will have to analyze the data and then, maybe Summer 2025, they will

start the borings; and after that, it would be a few months to get the data back from that.

Chairman Feltner asked if they will have some answers by Christmas from the Army Corp on

this sampling.

Ms. Duffle responded in the affirmative.

Commissioner Delaney asked if they find some troubling data points, is there any thought to

check the schools over there because she has been to a couple RAB board meetings, so she

knows that is a huge concern.

Ms. Duffle stated she is trying to understand the question; and she noted they are not doing a

test pit at the school, but is the Commissioner saying if they find something…

Commissioner Delaney inquired if they will expand at all or is it just in that target area that was

shown on the maps.

Ms. Duffle responded this is just for the initial test pits; based on the results, there could be

more test pits; but they do not have those locations yet.

Commissioner Goodson commented usually it follows the water tables, as far as flow, if there is

some sort of pollutant; and he asked if that is correct.

Ms. Duffle asked, follows the what.

Commissioner Goodson stated water table as far as flow plumes, correct.

Ms. Duffle responded affirmatively.

Commissioner Goodson asked which way is the plume going naturally down there, does it go to

the river, the ocean, or south.

Ms. Duffle responded to the ocean.

Brad Tompa responded they really do not know yet.

Chairman Feltner asked for Mr. Tompa to come to the mic for the benefit of the people at

home.

Ms. Duffle advised he is the technical lead.

Mr. Tompa stated they really do not know the flow; there are no monitoring wells in yet; they

assume it may be tidily influenced a bit, but it is probably relatively flat because it is sand; and

they just do not know. He commented to the question about the school, the footprint that one

sees is based on historical aerial imagery of what he knows of the extent of where the material

may have been buried by the Navy so that is kind of where they are focusing their study for this

phase.

Commissioner Goodson asked if Mr. Tompa knows what was buried there.

Mr. Tompa responded he has no idea.

Commissioner Goodson asked, no idea.

Mr. Tompa confirmed he has no idea. He noted it was an uncontrolled dump since World War

II.

Commissioner Goodson commented, correct.

Mr. Tompa stated that is the purpose of what they are doing; preliminary work was done in

early 2000 by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA); and the good part of that is they did

not find any contaminants in the groundwater or soil.

Chairman Feltner asked if Mr. Tompa has done this type of work in other places, other FUDS.

Mr. Tompa replied similar projects, not this exact one, but similar.

Chairman Feltner noted he will not ask Mr. Tompa to predict the outcome, but just the path that

some of those have taken before.

Mr. Tompa advised it is highly variable; he did something similar in Puerto Rico with trenches,

sampling, and monitoring wells of an old landfill; and as bad as it looked, they really did not find

any contaminants.

Chairman Feltner asked if the Army Corp were to find something, what is the remediation; and

is that something the Army Corp would be tasked with.

Mr. Tompa explained if that phase came along they would definitely develop a plan for that as

well.

Chairman Feltner inquired if that is soil removal: and he stated he is not asking the typical

because he understands each one of these is different; he gets that the barrier island is

different than some other places that he has been; and he asked if that is a starting point.

Mr. Tompa responded there are multiple ways; he stated this is the early starting point; but if

there is problematic soil contaminants, then yes, it would have to be addressed.

Commissioner Altman stated he sees the map of the area, slide five, and he asked is the green

area the area where Mr. Tompa had received the right-of-entry.

Mr. Tompa responded in the affirmative. He stated those are the properties where people have

agreed to let them do either the Ground Penetrating Radar (GPR) on their property or do a test

pit.

Commissioner Altman asked if there are any property owners who said no.

Mr. Tompa responded affirmatively. He stated this is just the property area; if one would

imagine, this area being outlined would be the entire area, one can see there are some parcels

within the area that are not green; and those are the people who have declined to have the

work done.

Commissioner Delaney stated she hates to put Mr. Tompa on the spot here, but she feels like it

is a little disingenuous saying that there is probably not contamination in this area.

Mr. Tompa noted that is why they are there; they are not predetermining anything; the slides

that were put up shows the CERCLA process is a very rigorous process of getting to a point

where it is determined how to do the investigation, and what to investigate for; the Board is only

seeing two people, there is a team of people in Jacksonville and Huntsville, on the Army Corp

side, and then there are the contractors, their scientists, and their engineers who have been

developing these plans; they have been reviewing them and making sure they are going to

address those questions; therefore, it is a very rigorous development of what they are going to

be analyzing for and how many samples they will be taking.

Commissioner Delaney asked if he is aware that there are residents who have dug in their own

yards and that they have had massive side effects from the things they have dug up in their

yards.

Mr. Tompa stated he knows people have dug material up, but he is not sure of any health

issues.

Commissioner Delaney advised she is telling him now, just so he knows. She commented the

residents here are very aware of what is going on in this area.

Mr. Tompa stated that is why he is glad to do this; it seems like it is taking a long time, but the

process that has to be gone through to make sure the money is spent correctly, one develops a

very good plan, then works the plan, and moves on; it is a sequential plan; and step-by-step

they move forward as they gather information.

Chairman Feltner asked if there was a serious weather event late spring, early summer, how

would that affect things for them as Mr. Tompa commented summer is when they will be doing

the boring.

Mr. Tompa stated basically the first task is the test pits; based on this information, they are kind

of using this information to prove what was found in the GPR studies; the GPR studies were

done six months ago, which identified possible buried material; these test pits are going to go

to those areas; and they are going to dig up, see what is found, and then based on that, they

can use the borings to go to other areas and do borings and see what material they find there.

Chairman Feltner thanked Mr. Tompa and Ms. Duffle for coming.

CONSENT AGENDA (The entire Consent Agenda will be passed in one motion to

include everything under Section F.)

Commissioner Delaney requested to pull appointments, not to do anything other than she

would love for her appointee to introduce herself, if that is okay with the Board.

Chairman Feltner advised the Board will oblige, Commissioner Delaney will introduce her

appointee, and then the Board will take a motion for the entire Consent Agenda.

F.6. Appointment(s) / Reappointment(s)

Commissioner Delaney stated Marcia Gaedcke is going to be her appointee to the Economic

Development Commission of Florida's Space Coast (EDC); she is excited to work with her; and

she thanked her for serving in this role.

Marcia Gaedcke stated she is a lifelong resident of Titusville; she has worked for almost the

last 30 years in the community in some form or fashion; primarily, in developing the community,

and on the business development side, as the President of the Chamber of Commerce in

Titusville; she is now at the Titusville Playhouse; she is excited to be able to work with many of

her friends again in the community; and she looks forward to representing Commissioner

Delaney and this Board at the EDC and making good things happen in Brevard County.

F.1. Final Plat and Contract Approval, Re: Village 2, Neighborhood 2 - Phase 2

Developer: The Viera Company District 4

The Board granted final plat approval for Village 2, Neighborhood 2 – Phase 2, Developer: The

Viera Company; and authorized the Chair to sign the final plat and Contract for Village 2,

Neighborhood 2 – Phase 2, Developer: The Viera Company, subject to minor engineering

changes as applicable, and developer responsible for obtaining all other necessary

jurisdictional permits.

Result: APPROVED

Mover: Kim Adkinson

Seconder: Thad Altman

F.2. Final Plat Approval, Re: Aripeka at Viera - Phase 2A

Developer: The Viera Company District 4

The Board granted final plat approval for Aripeka at Viera – Phase 2A, Developer: The Viera

Company; and authorized the Chair to sign the final plat for Aripeka at Viera – Phase 2A,

Developer: The Viera Company, subject to minor engineering changes as applicable, and

developer responsible for obtaining all other necessary jurisdictional permits.

Result: APPROVED

Mover: Kim Adkinson

Seconder: Thad Altman

F.3. Adopt Resolution and Release Performance Bond: Farallon Fields at Viera -

Phase 2 - District 4

Developer: The Viera Company

The Board adopted Resolution No. 25-024, releasing the Contract and Surety Performance

Bond dated May 7, 2024, Farallon Fields at Viera Phase 2, Developer: The Viera Company.

Result: ADOPTED

Mover: Kim Adkinson

Seconder: Thad Altman

F.4. Adopt Resolution and Release Performance Bond: Farallon Fields at Viera -

Phase 3 - District 4

Developer: The Viera Company

The Board executed and adopted Resolution No. 25-025, releasing the Contract and Surety

Performance Bond dated January 28, 2025, Farallon Fields at Viera Phase 3, Developer: The

Viera Company.

Result: ADOPTED

Mover: Kim Adkinson

Seconder: Thad Altman

F.5. Resolution approving an amendment to the Revolving Line of Credit Agreement

between the Titusville-Cocoa Airport Authority (“Authority”) and Truist Bank

extending the maturity date and increasing the available credit.

The Board adopted Resolution No. 25-026, approving an amendment to the 2021 Revolving

Line of Credit Agreement between the Authority and Truist Bank.

Result: ADOPTED

Mover: Kim Adkinson

Seconder: Thad Altman

F.6. Appointment(s) / Reappointment(s)

The Board appointed/reappointed Lori Alvord to the Central and South Brevard Public Library

Advisory Board, with said term to expire on April 8, 2027; Jeffrey McLean, Mary Jane Nail,

Janice Scott, and Tracy Thompson to the Central Brevard Parks and Recreation Advisory

Board, with said terms to expire December 31, 2026; Dan Dvorak to District 2 Canal Dredging

Committee, with said term to expire December 31, 2028; Marcia Gaedcke to the Economic

Development Commission of Florida's Space Coast, with said term to expire December 31,

2025; James Shackleford to the Historical Commission, with said term to expire April 8, 2027;

Robert Brothers to the Planning and Zoning Board, with said term to expire on April 8, 2027;

Gary Loduca and Harry "Skip" Taylor to the South Brevard Parks and Recreation Advisory

Board, with said terms to expire on April 8, 2027; John Moran to the Tourist Development

Council, with said term to expire on April 8, 2027; and Ginger Twigg to the Transportation

Planning Organization (TPO) Citizens Advisory Committee, with said term to expire April 8,

2027.

Result: APPROVED

Mover: Kim Adkinson

Seconder: Thad Altman

F.7. Bill Folder

The Board acknowledged receipt of the Bill Folder.

Result: APPROVED

Mover: Kim Adkinson

Seconder: Thad Altman

PUBLIC COMMENTS (Individuals may not speak under both the first and second

public comment sections.)

Jane Higgins stated she presented to the Board last month at the Citizen's Efficiency and

Effectiveness Recommendations (CEER) Workshop and she just wanted to share some

additional information that was found, because this is a journey, learning about Low Impact

Development (LID); on the second slide, these are right off the Brevard County LID Retrofit

Guide which she found, and she does not know if the Board is aware of the Brevard County LID

Retrofit Guide, she was not, so it was interesting to find that document; on the next slide, what

is the good news, it basically was finding that document that was prepared in 2020; it is a

Retrofit Guide for commercial and light industrial facilities; it is a very thorough guide dealing

with those and it is out on the Florida Department of Environmental Protection (FDEP) site; she

has the link out there and it is an excellent reference for all things environmental in the State of

Florida; and also she was very impressed with the Brevard County Natural Resources

Management stormwater public education site, it incorporates many of the LID principles. She

noted it is not called LID, but it is very LID-oriented; there are great resources on the FDEP;

she wanted to give a shout out to the many Florida, Brevard County Parks out here that are

using native plants, which are a key component of LID; the Board may be familiar with the

Enchanted Forest up north, it is just a treasure; they work a lot with Erna Nixon and Conradina;

the Rotary Park at Suntree was featured on the landscape tour last year and has a lot of great

plants on it; and then she placed a page for suggestions for future considerations. She

commented as the Board is going through all of these CEERS, now that they are available to

the public, she really appreciates the opportunity for that input; 12 CEERS just on LID she

thought that was awesome, as well as several other recommendations; the last slide points out

the difference between Florida-friendly landscaping and Florida native plants because it is an

important differentiation between those two; native plants are within Florida-friendly, but

Florida-friendly encompasses more than just the native; and it is very important environmentally

to understand those differences.

Chairman Feltner asked if the plants that grow between the cracks of the sidewalk, that people

do not necessarily want there, are native or friendly.

Ms. Higgins commented she would have to know what they were specifically; chances are they

might be neither, they may be invasive.

Chairman Feltner announced he has some that are very determined and he always thinks that

should be the lawn because that is what wants to be there.

Ms. Higgins commented many grasses are invasive in fact, and she looks forward to the CEER

analysis.

Christina Fleming stated she is in attendance not as a retired firefighter, but as a firefighter’s

wife, a voice for the silent sufferers in this community; she stands before the Board, not just as

a spouse, but as someone who sees firsthand the incredible strain that mandatory overtime

and understaffing are placing on the men and women who serve as the County’s firefighters, as

well as, on their families; the spouses are the unsung heroes; they are the ones who are

expected to juggle multiple roles, roles that no one sees, but are crucial to keeping his or her

family afloat; they are the Uber drivers, the chefs, the doctors and nurses, the housekeepers,

the lawn maintenance workers, the handymen when things break and their husbands and wives

are at work; they are the teachers, and also the therapists; and now, for some of them, they

have to play the roles even more because his or her spouse is working more hours, covering

more shifts, and sacrificing their time and wellbeing just to make ends meet. She went on to

say, it is not just about the long hours, for some it is the emotional toll of balancing their role as

a firefighter, while simultaneously carrying the weight of home life without the support of their

partner; there are now firefighters working whose spouses have died, are dying, or are just ill,

which leaves them with even more responsibility; all of this, while the pay for a Brevard County

employee, particularly a firefighter, simply does not stretch far enough and when other sources

of income are unavailable or scarce, it forces them to stretch every dollar; they are doing

everything they can to create a budget that meets the basic needs, food, shelter, utilities, and

healthcare; but in these times of rising prices, even these are bare necessities and are

becoming harder and harder to maintain. She continued by saying the County has been in a

state of critical need for far too long and yet nothing seems to be done except for kicking the

can down the road; their spouses have been forced to work longer and harder, but for less;

now with the recent news of Orlando Health closing its Rockledge facility, their spouses are

going to feel the added pressure of even fewer resources for the community; this decision is

going to put an additional strain on them both physically and emotionally; she has two

questions; the Board is asking tonight for one district to give up funding, and she asked why the

Board is not asking each district to get rid of their extraneous monies as she is sure all of them

have a few million dollars to spare; and why has the County not made a decision on the fire

department funding wages and the response models yet. She noted as a community, it should

be doing everything it can to support the first responders, not pushing them to their limits

without addressing the root causes of this ongoing issue; it is time to stop waiting and take the

action; these firefighters are not just the backbone of this community, but the ones who keep

everything running smoothly behind the scenes; she urges the Board to take immediate action

to address the understaffing and mandatory overtime that is harming, not just the firefighters,

but their families as well; and this community depends on these brave men and women, as

their spouses are silently bearing the weight of the sacrifices they are making. She stated it is

time for the spouses to stand up and ensure they are supported in the ways they deserve.

Steve Bruch stated he will be extremely brief; he just wanted to introduce himself for those who

he has not had the pleasure of meeting; he is a resident of Satellite Beach and has applied to

be on the Affordable Housing Advisory Committee; he has been able to meet with some of the

Board Members; he just wanted to put a face with the name; he thinks it has to go through

Department recognition, but hopefully it will be voted on sometime in the future; and he

submitted his information and inquired if the Board has that. He advised his background is with

Habit for Humanity; he would advocate for affordable housing being part of that for attainable

home ownership being a part of that affordable housing equation; he does bring many years of

experience in government board, experience in tax financing authority, and redevelopment

authority at County level; he would appreciate a vote on that; he looks forward to being a part

of the conversation; and he repeated he just wanted to put a face with the name, Steve Bruch

with Space Coast Habitat.

Commissioner Delaney thanked Mr. Bruch for what he does; she commented as far as

affordable housing goes, his mission is awesome, getting people into homeownership; and in

her opinion, that is what should be focused on.

Mr. Bruch stated he appreciates that enormously; it is definitely an ‘and’ conversation where

there are so many different avenues of affordable housing, it is not an ‘or’ conversation

between rental, but an ‘and’ conversation; and he is just trying to keep that at the forefront of

the conversation.

Janice Scott stated she wants to bring up one topic that has been in the national news lately;

she is a third generation descendent from the construction of the Panama Canal; the Board

may not know, but the Panama Canal was given in a treaty to a military dictator Omar Torrijos

by one Senate vote; Senator Dennis DeConcini voted to give away the Panama Canal, and it

was the deciding vote; she is a former elected official, Mayor of Cocoa Beach, and she knows

the value of a vote; that one vote; it is a big impact on other things that happen; as one moves

on from that thing that was voted on, to what somebody else does; she is an avid advocate for

no taxation; she does not believe that it is imperative of the community, the Economic

Development Council of Florida's Space Coast (EDC), and all of these other things that go on,

to give a tax abatement to a 501(c)(3) or 501(c)(4), whatever they are; and after one makes

that vote, people will never see where that money is going and being passed on to someone

else, it is really very difficult. She continued by saying she wanted to address the turtle nesting

in Cocoa Beach; between March 1 and October, there are 75,000 turtle nests on Brevard

beaches; the Tourist Development Council (TDC) gave $50,000 to a superboat race, Thunder

on the Beach in Cocoa Beach; she realizes, and the Board may have heard that she talks

about it a lot, but she is not against all of the fun on the beach, what she is against is the date

of the race, May 18 to May 20; she feels very strongly that the State, the County, and the Cities

should be consistent; people are badgered all the time to turn out their lights, close the curtains

on the beach, it is turtle nesting season, but there can be a boat race where a one-half ton boat

can zoom up and down and hit a 2,000 pound object; it is going to be sad when that happens

and she believes it has happened in the past; it was kept very quiet and kept on the ‘down low’

without the race being shut down; but why go through that and not just move the date of the

race to some other time.

Elizabeth Blackford stated she is a 2015 graduate of Brevard County’s Citizen Academy; this

year she participated in the Speak Up Brevard program for the first time, submitting two

suggestions and elaborating on them during the March 3 Workshop; while the program has

generated great ideas since its inception in 2010, she found the process of submitting and

implementing ideas lacking; this led her to join an ad hoc committee aimed at improving the

Speak Up Brevard process; the goal is to ensure future Citizens Efficiency and Effectiveness

Recommendations (CEERs) are thoughtful, researched, and actionable, making it easier for

the Board and County staff to implement them; and the plan is to test some of their ideas this

cycle to help the Board make its vote in May, a step forward in harvesting the best suggestions

for improving the quality of life in Brevard County.

H.1. Approval of Third Quarter Supplemental Budget for Fiscal Year 2024-2025

Chairman Feltner called for a public hearing on a request for approval of third quarter

supplemental Budget for Fiscal Year 2024-2025.

Jill Hayes, Budget Office Director, stated this Item requests approval of the mid-year budget

supplement and amends the projected balance forward budgets that were developed before

the close out of Fiscal Year 2024; the adopted budget includes estimated balance forward

based on anticipated level of revenue, expenses, and project completion; during the first

several months of the new Fiscal Year, revenue and expenses are still being accrued; and the

financial statements are then reconciled and then audited by County Finance. She went on to

say staff then analyzes the actual balance forwards and changes are then brought to the Board

for approval; most of these adjustments are associated with multi-year projects, but the Agenda

and supporting documentation summarize the total change in each fund type and also includes

the individual Budget Change Requests, as well as the advertisement of public hearing; and

she is available to answer any questions the Board may have.

There being no further comments or objections, the Board adopted Resolution No. 25-027,

approving a budget supplement for the third quarter of Fiscal Year 2024-2025; and authorized

the budget changes and such actions as are necessary to implement the adopted changes.

Result: ADOPTED

Mover: Kim Adkinson

Seconder: Thad Altman

Ayes: Delaney, Goodson, Adkinson, Feltner, and Altman

I.1.

District 3 $20,000 TDT Appropriation

Commissioner Adkinson stated she would like to leave the $20,000 with the Tourist

Development Council (TDC); and she will make the motion to allow the TDC to keep the

$20,000.

The Board approved for the District 3 $20,000 Cultural Fund Appropriation to be carried

forward into next year’s budget for allocation by the Tourist Development Council (TDC) under

the Marketing Support Grant Program.

Result: APPROVED

Mover: Kim Adkinson

Seconder: Katie Delaney

Ayes: Delaney, Goodson, Adkinson, Feltner, and Altman

I.2.

Approval Re: Termination of Lease Agreement with Furever Home Animal

Rescue, Inc. and Permission to Advertise a Request for Proposals to Lease

County Property Located at 2605 Flake Road, Titusville to Operate as an Animal

Rescue Facility - District 1

Marc Bernath, Public Works Director, stated this is for the termination of the lease for the

Furever Home, as well as implementing previous Board direction to provide a draft Request for

Proposal (RFP) to lease the facility and then for the Board to authorize the Selection and

Negotiation Committee; and the first action being requested is to approve the previous

termination of the lease.

The Board approved and authorized the Chair to execute the Termination of Lease Agreement

with Furever Home Animal Rescue, Inc. that has been approved by the County Attorney, Risk

Management, and Purchasing Services.

Result: APPROVED

Mover: Katie Delaney

Seconder: Kim Adkinson

Ayes: Delaney, Goodson, Adkinson, Feltner, and Altman

Commissioner Delaney stated she would like to clarify something that she thinks there was a

miscommunication in the lines; the last meeting, she was trying to convey that if this was the

way the Board wanted to go, she just wanted a fair process; she just wanted to put that out

there; and she is still open to conversation with the rest of the Board about how to move

forward with this property, she is not sold on any one avenue in particular.

Sarah Skywind stated she would like to introduce Kara Lester who is her cohort with Brevard

Barkhouse; she just wanted to express her thanks and put it back on the plate that she is really

interested in the building to help out the community; she has an extreme amount of back-up;

and she hopes that is an option that is on the table for her to do; and she is open to any

questions the Board may have. She stated she is just looking forward to helping the

community.

Richard Lange advised he really does not have anything; he spoke at the last meeting; he is

just there to find out the determination of what is going to be done with the property; and how

the Board is going to go about leasing it out, if that is the case.

Theresa Clifton, Executive Director of Brevard Humane Society, stated she has been the

Director for that last 21 years; the organization has been serving the community since 1952; it

started on Clearlake Road, moving to Cox Road in 1962; she has to say she has seen a lot

during this time; she is amazed that people move to the community and do not want to help

existing, successful non-profit businesses, to do what they do in the community; instead they

want to start up another duplicating existing service causing the public to choose who to give

their expendable funds to; and it makes no sense to her because most of them do not last

more than three to five years. She went on to say regarding the building at 2605 Flake Road,

there is no point in discussing the conditions, everyone has already heard it from staff and the

Sheriff; she has spoken to the Sheriff and he is not interested at all in it staying alive; she will

only say it needs to be condemned and demolished; it is not habitable; aside from the fleas,

ticks, ringworms, there is mold, feces, and rats, drains, electric, all of that, with the building

itself being a hazard; and factually speaking, she inquired, to put that aside, does the County

really need another facility to house animals. She continued by saying he Human Society in

2003 had over 6,000 animals come through its shelter, 20,000 Countywide; 2024 there were

1,800; in the last 10 years, because of the low amount of animals coming through Brevard

County, they have taken over 3,500 animals from other counties, other states, all the way to

Puerto Rico and other areas; she also has Susan Naylor in the audience who is the Executive

Director of the SPCA, and she has received information from her as well; the SPCA is located

in Titusville and it is a really beautiful facility; they are also a 40-year old organization, who also

has had excessive room for animals; in the last five years they annually average taking in about

2,000 animals; and in the last five year period, they took in 3,200 animals from outside of the

community. She noted she does not see where this Board would want another group to come

in and try to put all of their efforts into this dilapidated building that should have been destroyed

when the Sheriff left; her recommendation is to not repeat history, demolish the building, sell it,

give the property to Roads and Bridges because it is connected to Roads and Bridges; she is

sure they could put culverts or something on it; or sell it or do whatever the Board would like,

but quite frankly, it just aggravates her; and she really tries to stay in her area, but the animals,

if they are killing any of them, someone needs to tell her where they are because she is still

taking them in from other areas.

Commissioner Goodson asked if Ms. Clifton is taking in animals from other countries, counties,

and states, are the taxpayers of Brevard County paying for that.

Ms. Clifton commented that is the beauty of it, neither the SPCA nor the Humane Society

receives a dime from taxpayers; they operate on their own; they are self-supporting and

self-sustaining; she does not even think that the people who want to take on this building

understand, they average $35,000 to $50,000 every month in the red in their shelter; that

money comes from the services and the things they provide to the community in other ways;

they have a low-cost spay, neuter, and wellness clinic, they have thrift shops, they have Bed

and Biscuit Doggy Daycare Pet Hotel, and those are things that help the community, low-cost

income help them and it helps them to sustain; SPCA has the same budget; and if people want

to help they should really go to those well-established organizations. She advised she has been

a Guardian Ad Litem 33 years; she thinks people who want to help kids should also become a

volunteer with the Guardian Ad Litem program, not create their own new thing because there

are some really great programs in the community, so there is no point in creating more; and

there is just not enough support for it.

Commissioner Goodson asked Ms. Clifton if someone did create another thing, how it would

hurt her.

Ms. Clifton commented it is not hurting her at all.

Commissioner Goodson stated if a guy wants a hamburger stand but she has one and does

not want him to have one; and he asked if that is what she is saying.

Ms. Clifton remarked, no sir.

Commissioner Goodson pointed out that it seems like that is what Ms. Clifton is saying.

Ms. Clifton stated she is sorry; and she asked Commissioner Goodson if he has ever been to

the North Animal Care Center or Furever Friends.

Commissioner Goodson responded affirmatively. He noted Ms. Clifton did not answer the

question; and he asked why she is so adamant that she does not want anybody else to have

what she has.

Ms. Clifton noted she is not.

Commissioner Goodson remarked okay good, then he can have it.

Ms. Clifton noted it is the building itself that does not…

Commissioner Goodson stated forget the building he could buy a brand new building and Ms.

Clifton would be happy; and he asked if that is correct.

Ms. Clifton stated if he builds a brand new building then sure have had it.

Commissioner Adkinson asked Ms. Clifton to give her a number of what it cost to run her

shelter per year.

Ms. Clifton responded the shelter itself they put in about $1.5 million per year just to operate.

Commissioner Adkinson asked per year.

Ms. Clifton replied a year, every year just to operate; and she stated that does not include

maintenance, repairs, or the $3 million she raised on the side to rebuild the front of the building

that is currently taking place.

Commissioner Adkinson advised she has a question for staff but she is not quite sure who the

right person is to ask.

Chairman Feltner asked if there were any more questions for Ms. Clifton.

Commissioner Adkinson asked if there would be any cost to taxpayers if this building was kept

and it was leased out.

Mr. Bernath explained the way that staff drafted the RFP, and obviously that assumes the

Board approves them to move forward, is that they would have to show their assets, liquidity,

their business plan, and how they are going to be able to do it; the County would be offering no

monetary value towards this; they would have to demonstrate that; then the Selection

Committee would have to review those proposals, how they would address all the County’s

concerns; there is going to be a requirement that they have to do a mandatory walk through

with staff where they will have Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) such as N95 masks

because of the biohazards that the Board has heard about; but at the end of the day, the

Selection Committee will review it and come back to the Board with a recommendation to either

accept it, reject it, or revise based on the committee’s recommendation.

Commissioner Adkinson commented then that will just be staff time to go through all of those

applications.

Mr. Bernath responded affirmatively.

Commissioner Delaney asked about the Code Enforcement issues.

Mr. Bernath explained right now the City of Titusville Code Enforcement Office requires that the

County resolve it by June 9; there had been discussions through the County Attorney’s Office;

if the County provides a solid plan, he believes there may be some additional flexibility there;

one of the things, as part of the proposal, they would have to address how they would rectify

the Code issues and the Committee would have to be convinced of that; and the Committee

would then bring it to the City of Titusville.

Chairman Feltner asked if that building were to be demolished, he would not have an

immediate plan for it.

Mr. Bernath stated as far as Public Works Road and Bridge, it is not necessarily an immediate

need; if the Board were to consider the demolish option, his recommendation would be to hold

on to the property; Public Works is currently under a review process where a consultant is

doing a master plan looking at three of the Road and Bridge facilities, one of which is Flake

Road; and he would suggest to get rid of the building, but hold short of what to do with the

property until they get through that master plan evaluation.

Chairman Feltner commented if the Board went that route, someday, potentially, Road and

Bridge could have heavy equipment out there, storage of culverts, gravel, and all of those

things.

Mr. Bernath responded by saying, potentially, yes.

Commissioner Delaney noted she was wondering if anybody has any discussion over this, she

feels like last time the Board really focused on the icky of the of the building.

Commissioner Feltner advised he was just going to say the Board is in discussion.

Commissioner Delaney stated like she had said before she is not really sold on any which way;

she has major concerns for the welfare of the animals, especially after Mr. Bernath has spoken

with her a lot about the condition of the building; he has been there again, recently; she has

had a lot more resident input on this issue since it has been talked about so much; people are

very concerned; she has not received any positive reach outs except for those people who want

to take over this building; and she is not opposed to it, but she really feels like with the

ringworm, and she learned some things about the drains. She inquired if the building has

individual drains or a trough-type drain for the kennels.

Mr. Bernath replied it has both.

Commissioner Delaney went on to say learning about Parvo situations, if one of the animals

gets Parvo, any dogs along those drains would have to be put down because of the nature of

that disease; that is really concerning; and she does not know if that is part of the renovations

that they would have to get rid of those drains and only have the individual drains in the

kennels.

Mr. Bernath noted right now that was not something contemplated but if the Board decides to

move forward with this, he was requesting revisions to the draft RFP, staff could make sure

they identify or address how they would overcome that, whether it is removal or some other

mitigation.

Commissioner Goodson asked if the Board is still in discussion.

Chairman Feltner responded affirmatively.

Commissioner Goodson stated he has nothing, but he has a motion to be made when the

Board is ready.

Chairman Feltner stated he will share a couple of thoughts; when he goes to Road and Bridge

in his District, it has over the years been surrounded by the City of Melbourne, so they have

that challenge where they had to enter into an Agreement with Melbourne to hook up to new

water; these things happen; in the future and just thinking about the kind of needs up there, if

Mr. Bernath ended up with the property, he thinks the worst that would happen if the building is

demolished, is that he would end up with more space to store more equipment in the future and

he might not need it; and that is the worst in his mind.

Commissioner Goodson stated the motion would be to allow the County to demolish the

building and the County Attorney to work with the City of Titusville; and the County keep the

property for further need or until a time when the Board wishes to sell it or lease it.

The Board granted approval for the County to demolish the building at 2605 Flake Road,

Titusville; and directed the County Attorney to work with the City of Titusville, to keep the land

as County property for any future needs or until at which time the County wishes to sell or lease

it.

Result: APPROVED

Mover: Tom Goodson

Seconder: Kim Adkinson

Ayes: Delaney, Goodson, Adkinson, Feltner, and Altman

I.3.

Confirmation of John (Tad) Calkins as Assistant County Manager

Frank Abbate, County Manager, stated this is for the confirmation of Tad Calkins as the

Assistant County Manager of the Development and Environmental Services Group; Mr. Calkins

has 30 years of experience in Planning and Development; 10 years with Osceola County and

the last 20 with Brevard County; he has performed very well as a Department Director for the

last eight years; and he believes he is well-prepared to take on the position of Assistant County

Manager of that group.

Commissioner Delaney stated she just wanted to express he appreciation to Mr. Calkins and

Billy Prasad for allowing her to make this public; she feels like, in the Director positions, that the

community should know about it; sometimes on the Consent Agenda it gets hidden; and she

thanked them for all the help they have provided her and for being so kind and okay with her

making this public.

The Board approved confirmation of John ‘Tad’ Calkins as the Assistant County Manager

Result: APPROVED

Mover: Kim Adkinson

Seconder: Tom Goodson

Ayes: Delaney, Goodson, Adkinson, Feltner, and Altman

I.4.

Confirmation of Billy Prasad as Planning and Development Department Director.

Frank Abbate, County Manager, stated this is the Planning and Development Department

Director position and he is asking for the confirmation of Billy Prasad as the Planning and

Development Department Director; he has served in capacity of the Deputy Director since

November 2023; prior to that he served a year as the Strategic Operations Manager in that

Department; he has his law degree from Stetson University; he has been a successful

participant and advocate for the Executive Leadership Institute as well as Lean Six Sigma

Green Belt; he has participated in the Department and helped them achieve some significant

improvements in how they operate through participation, as a lead, and then as members on

various projects, most recently as sponsoring some of those projects; and he is looking for

confirmation of Mr. Prasad.

Sandra Sullivan stated she has some heartburn on this one because Mr. Prasad comes from

former Commissioner Tobia’s Office with all of the controversies and investigation on that

office; in particular, on some of the items coming forward; she has objected to the conversion

of intensity use of properties and Live Local to what that would represent in terms of density;

there is no such thing as conversion; it is kind of interesting, after pushing back he said he had

documents to support it and he would provide her something; he does not, and come to find out

this Legislative Session looks like they are going to approve that; that is interesting; and she

wonders if there are any puppeteers behind the scenes.

Chairman Feltner commented he knows Mr. Prasad to be an amazing human being; he worked

with his wife, Bethany, at her first real job, when they both worked for Representative

Workman; and he has known them both for a very long time.

Commissioner Adkinson stated for those who do not know Mr. Prasad, being a brand new

Commissioner, and sitting with him with constituents, talking about things that she has very little

understanding, he has been a great teacher and also a really amazing advocate for the people

who have come into her office looking for help; and she appreciates everything Mr. Prasad

does for the residents to help them get what they need.

The Board approved confirmation of Billy Prasad as the Planning and Development Director.

Result: APPROVED

Mover: Katie Delaney

Seconder: Thad Altman

I.5.

Board Discussion, Interim County Manager

Chairman Feltner advised this is his Item; he is open to discussion on an Interim County

Manager; and he asked if there are any questions.

Commissioner Delaney asked to hear Chairman Feltner’s thoughts since this is his Item.

Chairman Feltner advised what he is prepared to do tonight is to make a motion for Jim

Liesenfelt, Assistant County Manager, who has worked for the County for many years, to be

confirmed as the Interim County Manager; the County is going through a phase of transition

from Frank Abbate’s, County Manager, leadership; the County is going through a search for a

County Manager; he thinks continuity is good; Mr. Liesenfelt has his full confidence; and he

thinks the Board should confirm Mr. Liesenfelt as the Interim County Manager, he is the right

guy.

The Board discussed and approved appointment of Jim Liesenfelt as the Interim County

Manager.

Result: APPROVED

Mover: Rob Feltner

Seconder: Kim Adkinson

Ayes: Delaney, Goodson, Adkinson, Feltner, and Altman

Chairman Feltner advised Mr. Liesenfelt that he is going to go through some tough things

together with the Board, but he knows he is very capable; and he applauds him.

Commissioner Delaney stated she hopes he is ready for the Board.

Jim Liesenfelt, Interim County Manager, stated Brevard County is his home; his wife is a public

school teacher; public service is pretty important to his family; they have raised their children

here; they are happy to do whatever the County needs them to do; Mr. Abbate has been a

great leader and has accomplished many great things; and with the leadership out there and

with County staff, they will continue to do a tremendous job for the Board, for the community,

and for the County as it goes through this selection process.

I.6.

Board Discussion, County Manager Selection Process

Chairman Feltner stated this is going to be an open discussion on the County Manager

selection process; the Board was provided information at a prior meeting about how the Board

approached this in 2017, as a guide; there is a card on this issue; however, he would like to do

questions first.

Sandra Sullivan stated she does not understand this; the Board has not had a discussion yet

about this so it is hard for her to come up and comment; she would like to see this as broad as

possible, select the best candidate, and do not artificially limit it to the County; she saw the

article in the paper and that just raised her hackles to no end; the County needs the best

person for this job; there are certainly a lot of concerns with the degree of malfeasance and

issues that have been going on in Brevard for too long, that frankly, need to be cleaned up;

maybe someone from outside the area might be good to do that; it makes sense to take the

best person, not artificially limit it to somebody locally; and for the record, the one person she

absolutely does not want to see as even being considered for the job is who she calls ‘Boot

Barker’ from Satellite Beach. She went on to say the County does not need that; she was there

as one of the facilitators of the whole North Brevard Economic Development Zone (NBEDZ)

deal and a lot of other unsavory things that have gone on in Brevard County; and she will leave

it at that.

Commissioner Delaney stated she actually has a little bit of experience in a similar search; as

the Board knows she was very involved in the School Board and was extremely involved and

had a lot of input throughout the entire process that they had finding a new superintendent; she

figures that is pretty similar to what the Board is doing in a search for a County Manager; the

process they went through was so extensive; they went for a national search; and they had

extensive interviews with people, loads of citizen input, and by the time it whittled down to the

top five, each of the School Board Members got individual time with each of the applicants. She

noted throughout the entire process the School Board was the Selection Committee; she really

feels passionately that the five Commissioners should have equal input into this process, even

from dwindling down, say there are 100 applicants, even dwindling down from there to 50, to 10

and to five, whatever is decided by the Board as the dwindle down numbers; she feels the

Commissioners should all have opportunity to participate in that and have an equal voice in it;

and she feels passionate about a national search because one of the things she spoke about

when she was sworn in, one of her main missions was to build the public trust. She commented

someone from Brevard County may be the next County Manager, she does not know, the

Board has not decided yet; one of the ways that the Board can work on building that public trust

is by saying they have gone through the most extensive, fair, and open process and the Board

knows without a shadow of a doubt that this person is the best person for the job; and that is

her pitch.

Chairman Feltner asked for other thoughts advising this is an open discussion; he stated the

Board is going to need to agree on some things; and he is looking for some input.

Commissioner Adkinson mentioned she has a question for staff; and she asked what the cost

difference is from a local to a national search.

Frank Abbate, County Manager, responded it would be fairly minimal, except for maybe travel

costs to bring people in.

Chairman Feltner stated the idea of a consultant would help the Board through this process;

and he asked if that is something that Commissioner Delaney would want to speak to.

Commissioner Delaney replied she thinks that is something that was being talked about

tonight, was to go through a consultant; she stated in her mind, the Board would meet with the

consultant in some sort of fashion; she is not sure with Sunshine if it has to be a public

meeting, workshop, or whatever that has to look like, but the Board could meet with the

consultant and share their hopes and thoughts for the process; and at that point, the consultant

would work their magic, put out the search, with the Board’s parameters, and then bring back

the results.

Chairman Feltner stated he thinks if the Board met together with the consultant it would have to

be some kind of workshop; meeting one-on-one, he is sure at some point the consultant is

going to come to each Commissioner’s office for follow up and ask any questions he or she

may have; he thinks that is a different thing, but he is certainly not opposed to a roundtable

discussion with a consultant; he thinks some municipalities have been through this recently,

Commissioner Delaney mentioned the School Board; and he asked if there are certain items

from that that Commissioner Delaney thought were good or that she liked better than others.

Commissioner Delaney commented she loved the fact that there was an open house where the

citizens got to come in and meet the finalists, they got to talk with them, and it was really great

because the citizens were able to give their input back to the School Board; it was really

community-driven; she really loved that; and the other thing that was in this proposal that was

provided to the Board at the last meeting, where it says six copies of the proposal, she would

like to make sure that the proposal is electronic also so that it has the most visibility for the

residents.

Chairman Feltner stated he will make note of that; and he asked the County Manager how the

Board would start the process with a consultant guiding them through this process.

Mr. Abbate replied he has provided a draft of what was utilized last time; he advised he was

looking to see if the Board was comfortable with the selection criteria which looked at the

evaluation criteria, looking at quality and thoroughness of the proposal, which was 10 percent,

qualification experience and workload was 30 percent, with a variety of bullets under that, the

scope of the work, how they were going to do it, the methodology that they would use would

address some of the issues that the Board just raised in terms of meeting individually with

Commissioners, meeting with the public, coming back and showing the Board how they were

going to advertise it, get the Board’s thumbs up on that, and then move forward with the

advertisement; they would screen, as a matter of fact, last time, as he recalls it, the Board had

full participation in determining who was going to be on there; as a matter of fact, the Board left

it upon themselves that any Commissioner could add someone, even if they were not on the list

that was recommended by the consultant, so it could do that; of course it would come back to

the Board for a vote and the Board would screen down from there; and that would all be open

in the public with the Board making the decision of who ultimately, to interview. He noted if the

Board is comfortable with that, staff can put that together; he believes the last time there was

the Human Resources Director, the County Attorney, and also a Commissioner appointed by

the Board to serve on the screening committee that would evaluate the consultants’ responses

to the Request for Proposal (RFP); then it would be brought back to the Board to select who it

wanted to move forward with; he would suggest staff jump on it and get that to…

Commissioner Delaney interjected by saying she is sorry to interrupt, but that is the part that

she felt a little uncomfortable with; if she is hearing Mr. Abbate correctly, she would rather go

through a workshop with the consultant with the five Board Members versus having a

subcommittee bring the Board recommendations; and she asked, or is this just for the

consultant.

Mr. Abbate noted that is not what he is saying, he is talking about the selection of the

consultant.

Commissioner Delaney stated okay.

Mr. Abbate continued by saying the other process is all going to come to the Board.

Commissioner Delaney thanked Mr. Abbate for that.

Mr. Abbate noted plus that is the committee for the selection of the consultant and it is only

going to evaluate the RFPs and then come back to the Board with a recommendation, the full

Board, or the one Commissioner, if the Board so chooses to have one Commissioner serve on

it, will come back and say who they are going to recommend; and the full Board will make the

decision as to who the consultant is.

Chairman Feltner asked if the Board could direct staff to put together that proposal of what

would go out and do the RFP for, for the consultant; bring it back to the next meeting; the

Board can discuss it, amend it as necessary; the Board can start with that tonight…

Mr. Abbate stated staff can hold on, once the consultant is on board, the Board provides the

consultant with the criteria for the process that the Board is going to utilize whether it is a

national search or whatever.

Commissioner Goodson asked if that is a motion.

Chairman Feltner replied he would make that motion and that is what the Board is going to

proceed with.

The Board discussed and directed staff to prepare a Request for Proposal (RFP) for a

consultant to assist in the search for a County Manager, and bring it back to the April 22, 2025,

Board of Commissioners meeting for discussion.

Result: APPROVED

Mover: Rob Feltner

Seconder: Tom Goodson

Ayes: Delaney, Goodson, Adkinson, Feltner, and Altman

The Board recessed at 6:28 p.m. and reconvened at 6:34 p.m.

J.1. Approval, Re: Resolution and Maintenance Map for a portion of Irwin Avenue

between Tax Parcel Identification Number 21-35-05-00-257 and Tax Parcel

Identification Number 21-35-05-00-255 - District 1.

Marc Bernath, Public Works Director, noted this is a resolution for maintenance map for a

portion of Irwin Avenue in Mims in District 1; these portions have been supported by

maintenance logs back to 1972 by Public Works where this Department has maintained

approximately 50 feet or more; the purpose of filing the maintenance map is to enumerate and

document what the County already owns by fee-simple ownership based on Florida Statute

95.361; this is not an opportunity or a referendum on the project itself; this is tied to a

development known as Orchard View subdivision; if this moves forward the developer is going

to pave a section in front of their frontage; and it will remain a County maintained right-of-way.

Commissioner Delaney noted this unfortunately, was a development that was passed a long

time ago in the mid to late 2000s; every single piece of this development is done, ready, the

cake is baked, unfortunately; this is a necessary thing that the Board has to do; it goes against

everything that she wants, unfortunately, it is what has to be done; and if there is no other

discussion she would make that motion to pass it.

The Board executed and adopted Resolution No. 25-028; approved the Maintenance Map for a

portion of Irwin Avenue between tax parcel identification number 21-35-05-00-257 and tax

parcel identification number 21-35-05-00-255; authorized any other documentation to

effectuate the change, including but not limited to, addressing any issues with or scrivener’s

errors on said maps; and authorized staff to record the Resolution and Maintenance Map.

Result: ADOPTED

Mover: Katie Delaney

Seconder: Rob Feltner

Ayes: Delaney, Goodson, Adkinson, Feltner, and Altman

J.3. Discussion Re: Elimination of County membership dues to the Florida

Association of Counties (FAC).

Chairman Feltner advised this is a supplication of services; the County has a lobbyist, Ron

Book, and there is no need to pay the five lobbyist at Florida Association of Counties (FAC); it

is $68,500 approximately; and his motion would be to move that over to Fire Rescue.

Commissioner Delaney stated she feels pulled in each direction for this one because she does

not typically agree with the direction of this organization, nor the League of Cities; she feels

there is a lot of influence from the global community on those organizations and organizations

like it; her hope was, since she was put on this Board, she has not gotten to participate yet

because there have not been any meetings, her hope was to find other like-minded people to

go and fight with a bigger voice to Tallahassee against some of these home rule violations that

are going on; and she feels like this has a different operation than the lobbyist because the

County’s lobbyist is not going to Tallahassee to push back against home rule, or the violation of

home rule. She went on to say he is not going up there and pushing back on legislation that is

going through, at least not that she knows of; she thinks that it has some value; the County has

not participated in this for a long time; now there is finally a Commissioner who is willing to put

the time in; her hope is for a short opportunity to see if there is any value, since she is willing to

do the participation, and come back to this at a later time; she could bring a report back after

participating, sharing her findings; and then give a recommendation to the Board about whether

to continue or not.

Commissioner Goodson stated if Commissioner Delaney knows anything about Tallahassee or

this organization, they will tell people anything they want to hear in Tallahassee; if she wants to

know anything about home rule or fight home rule, she needs to be calling her local legislators,

looking at where they get their money from, and she will see exactly why they vote and how

they vote; she might be able to do something with them; the local League of Cities and Florida

Association of Counties, he is not too sure they are going to help Brevard; she could go up

there and spend a lot of time; and he would suggest to go on the days they have their parties,

they are a lot more fun.

Commissioner Delaney advised she has actually spent a lot of time in Tallahassee through her

years of advocacy with issues like parental rights and different School Board issues, Second

Amendment issues, and all sorts of things; she understands the hustle and bustle of what it

takes to get a bill through the Legislature; she spearheaded the moment to get the recalled

School Board Members included not only in the County Charter, but in the State Constitution;

that took two years of hard work and working with the local State Representative; and a shout

out to State Representative Sirois and Congressman Randy Fine for helping with that mission.

She noted she understands it is a lot of hard work; and what she is saying is she is willing to

put in the hard work.

Commissioner Altman stated he thinks this organization as well as the national association has

a great deal of value; it is an opportunity for County Commissioners to come together and

share ideas, to learn, to work together, they do not always agree, sometimes they disagree, but

that is beneficial too, to see some of the divergent thought and understand where they are

coming from; he found it to be a great learning experience when he was a freshman member;

he learned a lot and got a lot of ideas; one of the areas is through model legislation; and he just

thinks they have a lot of value. He went on to say he thinks for the money that is spent it is a

great investment; he thinks the Board is very fortunate to have a Commissioner who is willing to

put in the time; and he thinks it could pay great dividends. He commented he would oppose

removing from these organizations; there was an issue that the Board talked about this

evening, finding a new County Administrator, and there are a lot of resources in these

organizations, State and national to help find qualified staff; he understands where Chairman

Feltner is coming from; however, he thinks the organization has a lot of benefit.

Chairman Feltner commented he would suggest to Commissioner Altman that the Board

Members are compulsory members of the East Central Florida Regional Planning Council and

it pays them $130,000 that is mandated by the legislature, so the Board does not have a choice

in that; he would be doing this same motion for that if he had that opportunity but he does not;

he has the opportunity on this one because it is not compulsory; and he asked if there is any

other discussion on the Item.

The Board discussed and approved eliminating the County’s participation with the Florida

Association of Counties and to transfer the membership dues in the amount of $68,507 to the

County’s Fire Rescue Department, as a recurring source of funding.

Result: APPROVED

Mover: Rob Feltner

Seconder: Tom Goodson

Ayes: Goodson, Adkinson, and Feltner

Nay: Delaney, and Altman

Commissioner Delaney asked for a Point of Order; she stated Chairman Feltner has made a lot

of motions this evening, and as Chair it has not been precedent for the Chair to do that; and

she is wondering what the change is.

Chairman Feltner advised the Chair can make motions and seconds, there is no rule against

that; he has not done that as Chair; but tonight on some of these issues, he thinks it is

important to move them forward.

Commissioner Delaney pointed out in the past Chairman Feltner has said he does not feel

comfortable with doing that and that is not something that he would be doing; and she is just

surprised, that is all.

Chairman Feltner explained he thinks the Board is in some difficult times and it needs to move

some things along; he has said what he needed to on the Association of Counties; he thinks

there is a better use for that; he appreciates what she is saying; but there is no rule against the

Chair making a motion.

J.2. Discussion re: Elimination of County TIF payments to the North Brevard

Economic Development Zone (NBEDZ)

Commissioner Adkinson asked if the County Attorney, Morris Richardson, could provide a little

history on how North Brevard Economic Development Zone (NBEDZ) came to be and what it is.

Attorney Richardson advised NBEDZ was created in 2011 by the Board of County

Commissioners, primarily through two Ordinances; the first created a trust fund and a tax

increment funding source; a subsequent Ordinance created a structure of governance for a

board that would manage it; NBEDZ is what is known as a Dependent Special District of the

County, meaning it is a creation of Brevard County, was created by the Board of County

Commissioners, and can be dissolved by the Board of County Commissioners by ordinance; it

is a cooperative organization with the City of Titusville because it also includes the corporate

boundaries of the City of Titusville and Titusville appoints members to the NBEDZ board; and

there is an Interlocal Agreement between Brevard County and the City of Titusville. He stated

the City of Titusville has implemented its own tax increment funding, and contributes to a trust

fund, revenues generated within the City as well for the economic development mission of

NBEDZ; back when it was created it was in the wake of National Aeronautical and Space

Administration’s (NASA) Space Shuttle Program; and the principal goal was facilitating job

growth and economic development in the north portion of Brevard County, after the end of the

Space Shuttle Program.

Commissioner Delaney stated while Troy Post, Executive Director of the North Brevard

Economic Development Zone, is finding his way up, she would like to thank Commissioner

Adkinson for finding sacrifices for District 1; and she was wondering if there were any sacrifices

in District 3, that she has thought about.

Commissioner Adkinson stated she is very welcome; at the moment no; she is going through

the different programs that have been brought to her attention; her job, as she sees it, is to

figure out how to help get the money for the crisis which this Board now has, which is Fire

Rescue; the Board needs recurring money and that is what this is; and it does not mean that

NBEDZ is going away because as the Attorney said, Titusville will be able to still continue their

portion, should they choose to do so…

Commissioner Delaney interjected by saying, for Titusville.

Commissioner Adkinson continued on by saying what is interesting to her is how successful

NBEDZ has been; as she understands it, and she asked for Mr. Post to correct her if she is

wrong, the unemployment in Titusville is down 74 percent from when the Shuttle crisis originally

happened; that is significant and shows that the project did its job in that crisis; right now there

is another crisis; and she is suggesting that the Board move money from one crisis to another.

She commented Brevard County residents all pay in this; and she also understands that Milken

Institute has decided that now Brevard County ranks ninth, when it used to be 177 when this

was first created. She noted there is a lot of redundancy in this; there is the Chambers of

Commerce, the Economic Development Council of Florida's Space Coast (EDC), even the

Tourist Development Council (TDC) to some degree, brings as much as they can to the area;

and with SpaceX, Blue Origin, and Space Florida, she believes that right now is a time to

decide how to redistribute taxpayer funds to the current crisis at hand.

Commissioner Delaney asked if Commissioner Adkinson was saying that the entire County

pays into NBEDZ.

Commissioner Adkinson replied what she is saying is it is taxpayer money.

Commissioner Delaney asked commissioner Adkinson to answer her question.

Commissioner Adkinson commented why not let staff answer that question, they are better at

that than she.

Commissioner Delany noted it was something that Commissioner Adkinson had said, so that is

why she asking.

Commissioner Adkinson said it is taxpayer money.

Commissioner Delaney pointed out no, she said it was the entire County; just because she

knows the answer to that, it is only the properties within the Zone that pay into this; and she

asked if that is correct.

Mr. Post responded he will try to answer that; he noted he is very eager not to make a misstep

that could be interpreted as advocacy for the Zone; he is there merely to try to answer

questions as factually as he can and let the Board decide; and the way in which the Tax

Increment Financing (TIF) structure is, NBEDZ gets a portion of the valuation and property

taxes in the north end, the specified geographic area that is the Special District.

Commissioner Delaney remarked one of the things also said was that it is redundant; and she

inquired if Commissioner Adkinson is also aware that one of the major missions of NBEDZ was

to deal with redevelopment and blighted areas.

Commissioner Adkinson stated the County Commissions job is not necessarily economic

development; really, safety is one of the core priorities…

Commissioner Delaney interjected by saying she agrees.

Commissioner Adkinson continued by saying that is where she is saying this money needs to

go to.

Commissioner Delaney commented if she could just answer her question, if she was aware that

one of the core missions is to deal with redevelopment and blight.

Chairman Feltner commented he thinks Commissioner Adkinson answered the question.

Commissioner Delaney remarked she did not, yes or no is the answer.

Chairman Feltner advised she gave an answer and it might not have been the one

Commissioner Delaney wanted; and he asked her to move on to the other ones because there

are several cards.

Commissioner Delaney asked Mr. Post if that is true, and if that is one of the core functions of

NBEDZ.

Mr. Post noted in the Strategic Plan that was approved by both the City Council of Titusville and

the Board, back in 2012, it does include a redevelopment component.

Commissioner Delaney added, and infrastructure, correct.

Mr. Post answered under the Strategic Initiative of that Plan, NBEDZ could do infrastructure

improvement projects.

Commissioner Delaney thanked Mr. Post; and she advised she is done with questions for now.

Commissioner Goodson pointed out Commissioner Delaney ran on killing NBEDZ when she

ran for election; and he asked if that is correct.

Commissioner Delaney stated it started out that way and throughout…

Commissioner Goodson asked if she has changed her mind.

Commissioner Delaney stated if she can finish her answer.

Commissioner Goodson remarked answer yes or no.

Commissioner Delaney stated the answer is yes; when she was not fully informed she

advocated for the dissolution of NBEDZ; once she met with Mr. Post her opinion changed; she

actually made a video and it is on her campaign page still, that residents recently shared, and it

talked about how she felt this was a secret that the special interests have used this money over

time, and she said in that video that she felt this needed to be redirected to focus on small

businesses, redevelopment, and the great things that Mr. Post and his team are now doing;

and like in everything, people grow and learn.

Commissioner Goodson stated then she is for it now; and asked if that is a correct statement.

Commissioner Delaney answered by saying it depends because NBEDZ is a combination of a

Community Redevelopment Agency (CRA) and economic development committee; it is both

entities in one; if the Board is talking about getting rid of economic development and growth in

North Brevard and getting rid of the entity that is going to help with redevelopment, she would

not be for that, especially if it is not being looked at in the County as a whole because with the

County as a whole the Board could actually fix the firefighter issue with the $12-plus million, the

$7.3 million that all of the other Board Members get to enjoy in their own Districts; and she

asked why District 1 is bearing the brunt of this issue and where was their input in funding the

County’s Fire Rescue Department.

Commissioner Goodson commented District 1 is not bearing the brunt of it because the park…

Commissioner Delaney asked where the Merritt Island Redevelopment Agency (MIRA) is on

here.

Commissioner Goodson asked her to hold on, because some of her District 1 is in District 2

paying the bill and the money is coming from the General Fund, which is the total County.

Commissioner Delaney pointed out it comes from the businesses in the Zone's economic

development boundary.

Commissioner Goodson advised her not to say District 1 because District 2 has Exploration

Park, which is the biggest thing in District 2.

Commissioner Delaney remarked she agrees with him.

Commissioner Goodson stated do not limit it to just District 1.

Commissioner Delaney stated it is just District 1 because he still has MIRA…

Commissioner Goodson stated that District 2 is involved in it, so it is not just District 1.

Commissioner Delaney stated she understands that, but if he would let her explain this, District

2 has a total of $5.2 million in CRAs, including MIRA; District 3 and District 5 have $1.7 million

in their CRAs; and she asked where those items are on this.

Commissioner Goodson commented he would guess like District 1, since it is the culprit of

everything, and the who is who of the world, MIRA funds the repair of the bridge on Merritt

Island; MIRA funds infrastructure; MIRA funds road building; MIRA funds the clean up on State

Road 3; and everybody is doing their part, it is not just Commissioner Delaney’s ballgame, it is

the Board’s ballgame. He added the Board Members are all in this together.

Commissioner Delaney stated she would like some participation from the rest of the Board and

add this thing up to $12 million and really fund the Fire Rescue Department.

Jack Ratterman stated he is part of the North Merritt Island Homeowners Association (HOA);

he is on the North Merritt Island Special District Board, and he was on the Merritt Island

Redevelopment Agency (MIRA) board; when the Board talks about MIRA, it is the only thing

good happening on Merritt Island; everybody else has a city; Merritt Island is the step-child of

the whole County; Merritt Island puts a major amount of money into the County cauldron and it

gets the least back; he would ask to show him what Merritt Island gets back, that the rest of the

County already has; it does not have a community center, where is it, it did not get one

because the Board Members all have a city working for somebody in there; and the only people

Merritt Island has working for it is MIRA. He continued by saying the only reason Merritt Island

got an amphitheater is because MIRA stepped in and used all the influence they could get;

Debbie Mayfield and Tylor Sirois stepped in and brought in the money, it is the only reason

Merritt Island got it; as far as the NBEDZ, it is a rip; supporting the two richest people on earth

and helping them put a spaceship up; he asked help them do what, they are already going to

put $7 million worth of fill in and flood North Merritt Island; he commented they are the worst

neighbors Merritt Island has; people already know from past Board meetings that they want the

County to build a septic system; the County can improve theirs to the tune of $130 million, but

they do not want to pay for any of it; however, if NASA, or SpaceX built theirs it would be $350

million, so they are getting a heck of a deal. He inquired what NBEDZ does; he stated he does

not see anything for economic development; he would like to see who was employed, as the

Board says unemployment went down, and where are the figures; he does not hear anything

about that; the Board could say anybody got employed; the Board makes an intelligent and

smart decision, it wants to put some money into the Fire Rescue Department Budget, then X

these guys out and do what the Board is supposed to do; think about the firefighters; and he

mentioned what is NBEDZ, is the County going to call on it to put the fire out or get someone

off the couch after having a heart attack, good luck.

Aaron McDaniel stated he is in attendance to provide his experience with NBEDZ; he has

worked in Brevard County for over 20 years; he served as the engineer for the Titusville/Cocoa

Airport (TICO) Authority; he served on a team with Space Florida and others to try to coax

Space Command from the Space Force to come to North Brevard: he comes with those

experiences; he is also a service disabled veteran, a small business owner, and employs

employees in North Brevard County and South Brevard County; he comes to share that

experience with the Board in that him working with NBEDZ he has seen a positive experience;

he thinks on a macro-level, some of the difficulties he had working with Space Force on the

team that the Governor put together, was that there was not a good share of information about

North Brevard about the emergency services that are offered, about the capabilities of utilities,

and other things like that; and the Zone actually helped his team put some information together

so that it could bring those kind of macro-business opportunities to North Brevard. He noted at

a more micro-level, he can share his experience; his business is a general contracting firm; he

started a second business doing electrical service work and plumbing work; his story is that

really specifically with the Valiant Air Command project that NBEDZ is helping to fund, his

business has been able to hire local employees and really get off the ground; he has the

Valiant Air Command, NBEDZ, an others that have put money into this and to thank for that; he

would also say that there are many other smaller businesses in the North Brevard area; he

would tell the Board to go look through the area of North Brevard where the Zone is located;

and there are several other businesses that have received grants from NBEDZ and have really

done quite well because of that opportunity. He commented that is just his humble way of

sharing his story and why he thinks that NBEDZ has served a purpose.

Janice Scott stated as the Board knows Cocoa Beach had a referendum; the people made it

important that the City had to vote on whether or not they wanted a CRA; she will talk about the

Special District, it is the same thing; she looked at the map and the Special District goes from

State Road 528 all the way to Mims, from the Atlantic ocean west to Orange County; this is

obscene really; this is a County and she asked why certain people are given these kinds of

privileges; she understands when the Shuttle Program wound down and there was an issue,

but that is no longer an issue; and these things need to sunset. She continued by saying as a

matter of fact, while she was sitting there, she Googled a Florida Initiative that she read aloud,

“In Florida Community Redevelopment Agencies (CRAs) are set to be phased out by July 1,

2025 or September 30, 2045, whichever comes first, and are prohibited from starting new

projects or issuing new debt after October 2025”; the Board knows what the history is of CRAs;

this was an initiative back in the day when Cocoa was called ‘Little Vietnam’; it has been very

successful there, so successful that they need to sunset; every time taxes are abated for one,

somebody else, two or three, get to pick up the bill; and that is not fair to the rest of the

residents of Brevard County. She mentioned she understands why Merritt Island is upset

because it is included in the District, but it barely gets the trickle down; really the vote needs to

be to eliminate NBEDZ; that needs to be done all over the State; if one knows the companies

that are there, United Space Alliance, Blue Origin, and SpaceX; give her a break; one

disclosure that is never asked, and today’s Board Members were not on the Board in 2011, but

who are the shareholders, who are the elected officials now that may have shares in SpaceX or

Blue Origin, that are voting on these things; and she asked to please eliminate it.

Mary Watkins stated she has two properties on North Merritt Island and she is a lifelong

resident of Brevard County; she was born before NASA developed; she has watched the

collapse of the missile industry when the Apollo went away; she understands the initiative here,

and yes, the County did need to do something for the economy; but that was, according to the

records she is hearing, 2011; it is now 2025; and she believes it is time that money went to

other places and not continue to be passed around to additional sources like that. She

commented if the money is needed for the Fire Rescue Department, put it there.

Sandra Sullivan stated this binder is from the Brevard Coalition from back in the day; there is a

wealth of information in it; she would encourage the Board to go to Wavesaction, she has been

posting some of it and there is a lot more to come; fundamentally, NBEDZ was created as an

enterprise zone; that was a promise; it is not, enterprise zones are governed by Florida

Statutes not listed as an enterprise zone; it is bait and switch; and it is basically a CRA. She

continued by saying the concern by the Brevard Coalition was the monies going from District 1,

taking that out of the General Fund, that the other Districts would end up picking up that tab,

picking up the monies that are needed for the services in District 1; and that has come true.

She went on to say the core issue as people said, was the recovery of the Shuttle Program; by

Florida Statute one has to do a findings of need; that has been fulfilled, there is not a need for

NBEDZ any longer; in fact, if one wants to address the affordable housing issue in keeping

Brevard County affordable, the Board needs to keep taxes down; and to keep taxes down, the

money needs to be kept in the General Fund. She stated the one thing that would be really

great right now would be to Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) it; she has looked at

the projects and she sees some of them have not succeeded; one of the big issues of the

Brevard Coalition was the conflicts of interest and the Board Members appointing business

partners; and that was very well detailed out. She pointed out another issue, back in 2011 the

tax increment broken down and the CRAs by District, and 40 percent at that time was District 2;

the amount of the CRAs for the entire County is about the same as what was going to NBEDZ;

one of the things she has seen in the past was some fiscal analysis; she thinks that would be

good, when one is coming up here, that there are presentations; this was very controversial

back in 2011 and there were 51 speakers and it marginally passed with a 2:3 vote; and NBEDZ

is selling County land which one knows when that is done it needs a supermajority vote,

therefore, by State statute there is a question that this may have needed to be a supermajority

vote because it is selling County land. She noted the biggest controversy with NBEDZ is that

they immediately did bond funding with the Space Coast Infrastructure Agency which they

created and then bond funded for Blue Origin, in which the Clerk of Courts sued and won;

NBEDZ has been full of controversies since day one; it is time to sunset it; and time to put

things back where they should be because this is not a critical need any longer and the Fire

Rescue Department is.

Sarah Hodge stated she thinks everything has been said by Sandra Sullivan and several other

people who have spoken against keeping NBEDZ; Bill and herself would like to see it sunset as

well, and for the money go to the firefighters; they desperately need it; and the Board needs to

start doing needs before wants.

Tuan Le stated he is a small business owner from engineering to restaurant and property

redevelopment; he is going to speak the truth about NBEDZ; he has had a good experience in

the past, about five years ago; he did not have a good experience four years ago and he would

have to blame that on the former Commissioner of District 1 because he does not think she did

a good job; NBEDZ has done good for small business; in the past few years it has been

focused more on big companies and that is not what he wants; if NBEDZ focuses on big

companies like Blue Origin and SpaceX, it is benefitting investors in the State from different

places, even if they create jobs here; that means people from out of State apply for jobs here,

not locally here; small business people here are working hard and trying to give a job and

opportunity to local people; and he is in attendance today because Commissioner Delaney’s

staff had called him and asked him about what he thinks about the small businesses. He

commented he thinks Commissioner Delaney cares about small businesses, which is a good

thing because for example, after Coronavirus Disease (COVID), Titusville had received $5

million and that money went to Parrish Hospital and at the same time 15 other local businesses

had to be closed; with that $5 million it could have saved more than 20 or 30 small businesses

that are a benefit for the people who work there and stuff like that; and getting back to the small

businesses, right now, when one starts a business it is really hard to start a small business and

the requirement for the EDC is very tough for small businesses to comply. He stated on top of

that if a place is redeveloping and wants to get money from the bank, the bank wants owners to

have at least 10 percent of the cash in hand instead of providing the funds; he believes in

Commissioner Delaney right now because she is the one who convinced him to come today; he

thinks she can do something to help District 1 and to help the small businesses in the area to

grow and save the small businesses because he closed more than five businesses after

COVID because he did not receive support from the EDC, County, or City; and it is really

ridiculous what the politicians have done to the people instead of caring for small businesses,

the Board cares for big companies to make each Board Member look good when they tell the

voters they brought the big company here and it forgets about small businesses. He went on to

say he thinks this needs to be changed; he wants NBEDZ to be revised and to work together;

and he believes in Commissioner Delaney and what she is trying to do.

David Shores stated he is on the Board of Directors of the Warbird Air Museum in Titusville; it

is in the process of building a 20,000 square feet event hangar that will be tremendously

beneficial to all of Brevard County, particularly North Brevard, for weddings, displaying

airplanes, and all kinds of events; this project never would have gotten off the ground without

Mr. Post and NBEDZ; without that funding it never would have been able to start the project; it

is employing a lot of people, and those who are building it are employing a lot of people; and all

the studies that were done to prove that this was a good idea, say that the County, State and

the Museum will do very well financially throughout the year because this property exists. He

noted he is very much in favor of NBEDZ; and he thinks Mr. Post has done a great job.

Commissioner Delaney mentioned a lot of people talked about the influence of NBEDZ on the

space industry; while it was heavily focused on the space industry in the past, what she has

seen throughout her time as a Commissioner is a major shift in focus; like one of the speakers

talked about, one of the major shifts is that a lot of the focus has been on getting these small

businesses going; one of the struggles that District 1 has, that some Board Members may not

understand, is it has the most amount of wetlands in North Brevard; she would guess North

Brevard has the most undeveloped land; and when companies are deciding on where to go,

they look at whether there are site-ready places because these companies are thinking of their

bottom line and how quickly they can come in and start making money. She continued by

saying some of the reasons why North Brevard has trouble with enticing businesses is because

of those challenges; some of the things that Mr. Post and his team have done, there is a site

that is on Highway 50, a main thoroughfare in Titusville, and there was a lot with a blighted

building right across the street from Publix, and when the owners of the property went to

develop the land, they found that their $200,000 project is now turning into a $1 million project

because they found huge chunks of concrete, construction debris, and all sorts of things; the

simple project of just tearing up the land to pour the pads for their businesses turned into this

huge monster of a project; and thankfully, they came to NBEDZ for help so that they are able to

continue with their project. She mentioned there are so many good things that NBEDZ is now

doing; she cannot speak to the things that happened in the past; she was not there and frankly,

she did not agree with a lot of it; there is another project that is going on tonight at the City of

Titusville, the Searstown Mall; without the funding of NBEDZ, that will continue to be a blighted,

dilapidated site, right in the heart of Titusville; North Brevard has unique challenges that the

other Districts do not have; and she asked for her slides to be put on the screen. She stated

this slide from the budget presentation, shows all the CRAs in the County; it shows $7.3 million

and out of that only $350,000 goes to North Brevard and that is because Titusville has one

CRA; contrary to popular belief, District 1 is a lot bigger than Titusville; if the Board were to get

rid of NBEDZ that would be District 1’s portion; she pulled data from the Clerk’s Office and

since 2010 the total payments across the County for all the TIF payments, that includes

NBEDZ, CRAs, and MIRA, the total payments are $120 million across the County; the total of

North Brevard payments is $34 million since 2010; and the payments did not start for NBEDZ

until 2013. She continued by saying all the other Districts combined is $86 million; from 2013,

when NBEDZ received its first installment, she put together the numbers from 2013 to present,

$108,000 million across the County and North Brevard, including NBEDZ and the Titusville

CRA, it is $33 million; and all other Districts combined, $73 million. She went on to say if the

Board were to get rid of NBEDZ, the bottom chart on this slide shows that District 2 gets $5.2

million, Districts 3 and 5 together get $1.7 million, and District 1 gets $350,000; her request is

for the Board to remember why it is there; the Board represents the citizens of this County; she

thinks this is an extremely important decision for this Board; if the Board is talking about

everybody coming to the table and ponying up, she will be right there with the rest of the Board;

$12 or $13 million would make a huge dent in the Fire Rescue Department; and with the

legislation, that is probably going to be going through, and CRAs are not even going to be a

thing anyway. She added she is going to make a motion to table this Item so there can be

citizen input on how the public wants the Board to proceed with this because she thinks that

this greatly affects the County as a whole; and she thinks it will be a huge detriment, not only to

her District, but to the entire County. She asked the Board to think about any time the ebbs and

flows of the Space Center happen, any time something happens it is District 1 that bears the

largest brunt of that; she remembers that time with the boarded up houses; her mom was a

teacher at Space Coast Jr. Sr. High School, and one of her student’s family was so devastated

that they not only shot their own children, but shot themselves; there were people living in the

woods; it was a horrible situation for District 1; if the Board is going to be looking at this to take

care of the firefighters, then it should take care of them together as a County; and it should

make a huge dent, because $3 million is going to do nothing for them.

Chairman Feltner stated he thinks what has happened in the north end of the County in recent

years is pretty amazing; commercial space flight is here and the kind of investment that is going

to be made in the north end of the County will rival what was done in the 60s; he thinks it is at

that point; it was pretty well advertised that that is the situation; Space Florida and the State of

Florida, the kind of investments being made, it is in the billions of dollars…

Commissioner Delaney asked if that is in District 1.

Chairman Feltner replied north County is going to be the largest beneficiary of that because not

everybody can live in Viera who is going to be working on the space program; he thinks the

north end has quite a lot of economic growth that is going to be coming; and he asked if there

is further discussion on the Item.

The Board denied the request to table.

Result: DENIED

Mover: Katie Delaney

Seconder: Thad Altman

Ayes: Delaney, and Altman

Nay: Goodson, Adkinson, and Feltner

Commissioner Delaney stated she was wondering, just for the minutes so that everybody is

aware, how the Board plans on funding the Fire Department with $3 million.

Chairman Feltner advised it does not fund the Fire Rescue Department with $3.3 million, in

addition to the $68,507 tonight; he thinks the Board is about a quarter of the way there; $16

million or somewhere in that range; the Board is approaching a quarter of the way…

Commissioner Delaney interrupted by asking a quarter of the way to what; she stated with all

due respect, the Board has not even come to the table for these poor people; the Board has

strung them along for months, and months, and months; and now the Board is coming after her

District.

Chairman Feltner replied he thinks the Board gets a quarter of the way to their ask…

Commissioner Delaney commented there is no ask, there is nothing on the table right now.

Commissioner Goodson stated it is a total different issue.

Commissioner Delaney advised it is not a total different issue; the Board has made this about

the Fire Rescue Department, so talk about the Fire Rescue Department; and the fact is the Fire

Rescue Department needs to get funded, so let the Board fund it, there is $13 million on the

table.

Chairman Feltner explained the Board is going to be going through this, this summer, he can

assure Commissioner Delaney; and this is but one step, the first step.

Commissioner Delaney asked how to broaden it.

Chairman Feltner replied he thinks it is a good faith effort that the Board is trying to get there.

Commissioner Delaney pointed out a try to get there to these people would be $12 to $13

million, not $3.3 million.

Chairman Feltner stated he does think that raising taxes should be the first choice.

Commissioner Delaney asked where she said that.

Chairman Feltner continued by saying he thinks that should be the last resort; and the Board is

going to have quite a robust discussion about this, this summer.

Commissioner Delaney interjected by saying it seems like Chairman Feltner and Commissioner

Adkinson had a robust conversation about this.

Commissioner Adkinson stated she would like to make a motion.

Commissioner Altman asked if the Board is in debate.

Chairman Feltner advised him to go ahead.

Commissioner Altman stated he is going to vote against the motion and he wants to talk about

why; he thinks NBEDZ provides an incredibly important public purpose; North Brevard is really

important to the future of Brevard County; there are significant infrastructure shortfalls in the

North Brevard region; there are cultural needs in North Brevard; it is important to Brevard

County as a whole that the Board try to fill the gap and support what Brevardians are doing in

the County seat; Titusville is the County seat and it is the identity of the space program; he

thinks it is important that the Board continue to support them; he thinks the need is still there;

and he understands the points that have been made, but he thinks good economic

development is important to the County as a whole, therefore, he will be voting against this.

Commissioner Adkinson moved to direct staff to prepare a statement of legislative intent

regarding the discontinuation of County TIF payments to the NBEDZ Trust Fund; the

dissolution of NBEDZ; and the refund of any uncommitted TIF funds on deposit in the NBEDZ

Trust Fund to the respective taxing authorities that contributed those funds, including the

County.

Commissioner Delaney asked Commissioners Goodson, Adkinson, and Chairman Feltner if

they are willing to speak about the CRAs in their Districts.

Chairman Feltner stated he thinks the Board will have a discussion of CRAs this summer; and

he envisions that happening.

Commissioner Delaney asked why this summer.

Chairman Feltner commented because the Board is going to go through the budget process.

Commissioner Delaney pointed out she is asking to get the firefighters paid, which is what the

Board says it wants to do; and she asked if the Board Members are willing to put their CRAs on

the table, it is a plain yes or no question.

Chairman Feltner advised he does not have a CRA in his District; he thinks there may be one

on the edge of it, but that is finishing up something; he cannot speak for the others; and he

would suggest to Commissioner Delaney the Board Members should look at every funding

opportunity that they can this summer when going through the budget process.

Commissioner Delaney asked if that is a yes.

Chairman Feltner explained he would look at every funding option available to the Board this

summer; that is his answer; and he will let the others answer if they so choose to.

Commissioner Delaney stated she thinks the public deserves to know the yes or no answer.

Chairman Feltner stated he understands there is a motion on the table, as he is being

reminded.

Commissioner Delaney asked if Commissioner Goodson and Commissioner Adkinson are

refusing to answer that question, for the public and for everybody that is watching right now.

Commissioner Adkinson advised Commissioner Delaney that there is a motion on the table and

she would like to follow…

Commissioner Delaney interjected by saying that she understands.

Commissioner Adkinson continued by saying and she would like to follow procedure.

Commissioner Delaney stated for discussion, because after one makes a motion in Robert’s

Rule’s, there can be discussion after the motion is made, and she would again ask that

question of Commissioner Adkinson and Commissioner Goodson, if they are going to tell the

public if they are willing to put their CRAs on the table to fund the firefighters.

Commissioner Goodson stated no comment.

Commissioner Delaney pointed out that is a no.

Commissioner Goodson explained it is not a no, it is a no comment; and the Chairman said it

will be discussed at a later date.

Commissioner Delaney asked if the Chairman is her boss; and she answered by saying no, the

Board Members are all duly-elected here.

Commissioner Goodson asked if Commissioner Delaney understands English.

Commissioner Delaney replied yes, she understands English.

Commissioner Goodson asked if she understood what the Chairman said.

Commissioner Delaney stated she is asking him a question.

Commissioner Goodson pointed out he told her it would be discussed at a later time.

Chairman Feltner advised there was a motion and a second, Clerk will call the roll.

The Board directed staff to prepare a Statement of Legislative Intent regarding the

discontinuation of County TIF payments to the NBEDZ Trust Fund, the dissolution of NBEDZ,

and the refund of any uncommitted TIF funds on deposit in the NBEDZ Trust Fund to the

respective taxing authorities that contributed those funds, including the County.

Result: APPROVED

Mover: Kim Adkinson

Seconder: Tom Goodson

Ayes: Goodson, Adkinson, and Feltner

Nay: Delaney, and Altman

PUBLIC COMMENTS (Individuals may not speak under both the first and second

public comment sections.)

Susan Connelly stated she wants to speak on the Speak Up Brevard Program; her 2025

submission called for the creation of a Brevard County Board of Government Efficiency; she

had no idea when she turned in her submission that Brevard County already had its

Department of Governmental Efficiency (DOGE); interestingly, the County DOGE program is

the Speak Up Brevard Program, where each submission is identified by a Citizen Efficiency and

Effectiveness Recommendation (CEER) number; by not knowing the complete name nor the

purpose of the Speak Up Brevard Program, it made her realize a couple of things; first, how

much she did not know about the unlimited opportunities of the Speak Up Brevard Program;

and second, how disconnected citizens are from the very operations and decision-making of

local government. She went on to say since the March 3, Speak Up Brevard Workshop, she

has been working with a group of citizens who also share these realizations; there are two

goals: to review the Speak Up Brevard process from a citizen’s perspective and provide

actionable recommendations for improvement, and to rework their own CEER submissions so

that those recommendations clearly identify the issue as well as present actionable cost

effective solutions; and Speak Up Brevard can become a showcase of best practice of

efficiency and effectiveness in government operations. She noted that was going to be the end

of her comments, however, she would just like to say, based on the discussion she just heard,

the question is why can businesses not economically thrive; and she thinks that Speak Up

Brevard Program may hold the answer, with efficiency and effectiveness.

Sandra Sullivan stated she wants to talk about the Formerly Used Defense Site (FUDS)

presentation by the Army Corp of Engineers; it is kind of depressing how much the presenters

do not know; as many know, her group Wavesaction, she was the lady that dug up all the

military waste in her backyard; yes, she did get sick and fell down seven times per day, and

had been getting some medical assistance since, with a lot of neurological issues; when they

were asked if they knew what was buried there they said no they did not know; there was a

Defense Environmental Restoration (DER) report that was done by the State stating there was

everything from munitions, chemicals, oil barrels, and it is all detailed in there; they were asked

about the contamination; in 1991 there was a study and found on Southeast First Street were

levels of benzene a pyrene and other really nasty chemicals above the cleanup targets; and the

wells were capped. She noted a little history about the FUD Site; there were 500 applications

for FUDS back around that time; and this was the only one of 500 sites, that was denied the

FUDS eligibility, and interestingly, the only ones with a class action law suit for a cancer cluster.

She mentioned there was an Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Environmental

Photographic Interpretation Center (EPIC) study which is a study done on the aerial analysis of

what was buried there; she has firsthand accounts of a heavy machinery operator that missiles

were buried, and there are large conical objects in those aerials; there is a lot of data from the

90s; and she was lucky enough to have a local resident give her that. She stated when she was

doing the investigation there were four people on Southeast First Street with Amyotrophic

Lateral Sclerosis (ALS); this area is world-renowned for the levels of ALS, which for military

bases is largely correlated causation to the levels of chlorinated substances like tri-chlorinated

ethylene and organochlorine pesticides; the EPA came into her yard where there is a smell that

persists but is not there all the time; the EPA came in and thought it might have been benzene

a pyrene; when the EPA tested her yard it found 1,4 dioxane above the cleanup targets by her

bedroom; and that level is a tracer chemical for tri-chlorinated ethylene. She noted she is

talking about the chemicals associated with Camp Lejeune; the bottom line is the Army Corp of

Engineers has a history of doing its studies to reach an end result of ‘no further action’; this has

been seven years so far and it is coming in to do sample pits; it should have done directional

push technology years ago; it is a BS effort and it is not going to go anywhere; and the only

way it will get anywhere in other communities is when their local government has stepped up

and sued the Corp of Engineers in order to get the results that were necessary.

Woodrow Sweet, Vice President Brevard County Professional Firefighters, stated he, like the

Board Members, is an elected leader who has sworn an oath to those he represents; he comes

before the Board tonight to demand action concerning the state of public safety in Brevard

County; the County is not facing the potential of a critical failure, but rather it has reached

critical failure; this is evidenced in the firefighter's inability to handle the 9-1-1 medical call load;

as of two weeks ago, Brevard County Fire Rescue was forced to seek assistance from Coastal

Health Systems to help with staffing and apparatus deficiencies; and if the Board does not

know, Fire Rescue is very deficient. He continued by saying this coupled with the Fire Chief

declaring a public safety crisis and now Commissioner Adkinson declaring the same crisis, only

echoes what Brevard County Professional Firefighters have been telling the County for well

over a year; the Board may be hearing from some prominent figures not to listen to the

firefighters regarding the state of public safety, but this is simply a fraudulent message

designed to cause a rift between leadership and the firefighters, paramedics, and inspectors;

and to combat the misinformation regarding the firefighters, he directs the Board’s attention to

the email that has been distributed to all five Commissioners from a neutral third party

magistrate detailing his observation of the state of Brevard County public safety. He went on to

say the magistrate’s email reveals that Fire Rescue has been operating in a spinning deficit; he

explains his displeasures with the County’s stance on this matter as it pertains to the lack of

contract with its firefighters and the lack of appropriate funding required to operate; he also

advises against waiting for his report and recommendation and strongly suggests that the

County find a solution as soon as possible to avoid service failure, which Fire Rescue is at; the

Board has not listened to the email that the magistrate has sent and Fire Rescue has failed, not

almost, the Department is there; while he fully understands that the process of defunding the

Fire Rescue Department started well before any of the Board Member’s time on this

Commission, but this is an inherited problem that the Board has sworn to fix; and as Chairman

Feltner has said tonight, “We will get this done this summer,” this is a major error and will cost

lives. He asked with that being said, given the information, as the Chair of the Board of County

Commissioners, will Chairman Feltner commit to expedite properly funding Fire Rescue, rather

than waiting months for the Report and Recommendation from the special magistrate, so Fire

Rescue may begin the rebuilding process to provide the proper service they were sworn to

give; and he stated the lives of the people are at risk.

L.3. Katie Delaney, Commissioner District 1

Commissioner Delaney stated there has been a lot going on in District 1; she was lucky enough

to go on a North area parks tour with Mike, the construction manager, and Steve; they were

amazing, knowledgeable, and incredible people; they went all around to the District 1 Parks

looking at all the projects that are being done; it was great to get a real hands-on

understanding as to what is going on up there; and she is also very happy to report, because it

has come up a lot in her office, herbicides are not being used in District 1 Park ponds and that

is a great thing. She continued by saying the more chemicals that can be cut down from

entering the waterways the better because it cuts down on the algae blooms and keeps the

water looking great, which is not only great for everyone’s health, but it is great for the

economic development, as everyone knows Floridians love being on the water. She mentioned

she also went to a couple community meetings in Cocoa; one, Councilwoman Lorraine Koss

hosted, and it was really great to get to speak to the residents in Cocoa and hear their thoughts

and concerns and all of that; that was really great; she also went to a community meeting about

the City Point development that was on the table and again, it was great getting to hear from

those residents; she also went on a couple of farm tours, one in the north end and one in the

south end; she thinks the farm in the south end was 25,000 acres and the north end was

around 70,000; and she is honestly speechless about what these families do for preservation

and conservation for the wellbeing of the community. She commented in North Brevard at

Farmton, what they are doing is rebuilding a quail habitat to bring the quails back to North

Brevard which is cool for any hunters out there; that has been gone for a really long time, so

they are working on that, which is awesome; she also went to the Canvassing Board meeting

on the special primary election night; that was incredible to watch in action what the Supervisor

of Elections does and how all the magic happens; she is happy to report there were no issues;

unfortunately, there was not a whole lot of voter turnout, but hopefully those numbers will be

pumped up; it is really important, even in these special elections; and she asked people to get

out there and vote because the more people that vote, the more the community is represented

in their vote. She noted she has been attending the weekly healthcare stakeholder meetings

that the Space Coast Health Foundation has been hosting; a shout to them and she expressed

her appreciation for organizing those meetings; they have been making great progress, as far

as bringing everybody together and getting to a solution; the next thing she wants to talk about

is Evaluation and Appraisal Review (EAR) and the Area of Critical State Concern (ACSC); at

the November 7 meeting her predecessor stated there would be a new Commission meeting

and they might want to do a workshop and figure out what to do with all of the input and what

they want to do moving forward; she would like to bring forward, at the next meeting, a request

for a workshop to talk about the update to the Comprehensive Plan because there was a lot of

citizen input into this and she really feels like there should be more of a conversation around

this; people care about this and they want to know what is going on and they want to feel like

they are heard and want to be a part of the conversation; and she feels like this is necessary,

besides public safety, this is one of the major things that the County does; and she wanted to

give the Board a heads up that she will be bringing this forward on the next Agenda. She

advised she has received so many concerns about the Orlando Health-Rockledge Regional

Hospital, from the citizens, the Fire Rescue Department, Health First, Parrish Medical Center,

Rockledge Hospital doctors and nurses, and she just wanted to read a post she saw today on

Facebook, it says, “Ambulance rushed my sister to Viera hospital from the Port St. John Urgent

Center because Rockledge is no longer accepting patients. She arrived there just after four

yesterday afternoon and was placed outside in the lobby for at least six hours before she got

back, in terrible pain. We’re still in the ER. There’s no beds available and the waiting room,

when we started we were told a two-hour wait. Waiting on surgeons to make a decision. I

highly recommend if you do not need to go to the hospital for non-emergency care, go to a

walk-in clinic, this is insane”; she would have to agree; Chairman Feltner had mentioned a

couple time now that there is something big coming and whatnot, but she is speechless in this;

she knows Coastal coming on board is a band-aid to this crisis, but it is not something that she

feels is sufficient; she is also heavily concerned that the Board was not really part of that

decision-making; this is a critical, massive change to the way that business is done here in

Brevard County; and she feels like there should have been more Board discussion over this.

She stated she is concerned over the level of service; and she asked if Chief Voltaire would not

mind coming up because she has a question for him. She commented as far as the level of

service goes, she understands that the Coastal ambulances are going to show up in

non-emergent cases, not a heart attack, not a stroke, not major bleeding, trauma, or something

like that, and she asked what about, God forbid, a kid got into a football accident and they had

broken their femur, what would that look like.

Fire Chief Patrick Voltaire, Fire Rescue Director, responded that would actually fall under

trauma alert protocol; there are now two helicopters in Brevard County with Holmes going to

the north end at TICO airport also; there have been many calls since then; he has only had one

call in his career where they had to call for two helicopters; but crazy enough, since there have

been two helicopters in Brevard County, he knows of two calls where they have actually had to

utilize two helicopters.

Commissioner Delaney noted this is just for clarification, she wants to make sure that the public

feels comfortable with this too, and she asked if anything to do with growth plates would be

considered an ALS situation where the County Fire Rescue shows up and not Coastal.

Chief Voltaire responded yes broken bones would be.

Commissioner Delaney asked for clarification if any broken bone would be.

Chief Voltaire responded yes, any broken bone would be an Advanced Life Support (ALS) call;

he noted a Coastal unit, a Basic Life Support (BLS) unit, will not go to a call on their own

without any of the municipal first response or a County, unincorporated area first response unit,

with a paramedic, and ALS unit getting there and evaluating the patient; from there, if they

deem it would fit the protocol for Coastal, they will then call the Medical Director; and the

Medical Director will say yes or no. He stated one of the examples he has is a bite; someone

calls 9-1-1 for an ant bite, a bee sting, he is not sure what kind of bite, but it was a bite, called

the Medical Director, gave the vitals and a rundown, told the whole situation to one of the

on-call Medical Directors, and then they will transfer it to Coastal from there; there are a lot of

eyes on it watching it through the process; there have been a total of 49 activations since it has

gone into service; and 16 since 7:00 a.m. Monday morning, when the hospital was officially

shut down.

Commissioner Delaney stated she just wants to put it out there for the public that is watching

this, and for people to be aware that the hospital is closed in Rockledge; she asked that people

not drive there or go there because they will not get service; she stated if there is an

emergency she would hate for something to happen because someone did not know; and if

anyone has neighbors, elderly people around, in a moms group, whatever people are doing

please spread the word that the hospital is closed and to please not go there. She mentioned

something for the future, and she asked if an alternative to this would be to hire single

certification paramedics per diem, and if that is something that is viable to get some highly

qualified people who are working for these other agencies, into the County’s agency.

Chair Voltaire responded affirmatively; he noted they have started with the single certs on a

24-hour basis; he knows the guys with the union had a conversation about the per diem late

last week to start working on that as another angle; he will hire any single cert that would like to

come work at Brevard County Fire Rescue (BCFR) or any firefighter that would like to come, if

they can past the test; and the Board has heard the guys here, if BCFR had the people

available to do this themselves in the rigs, they would be doing it themselves.

Commissioner Delaney asked if it is possible to work with them on their schedules as far as not

having to work a full 24 hours, that they could work a 12-hour schedule.

Chief Voltaire replied yes, anything is possible; he noted they have just started talking about

that the other day, how that would work in the flux of things that will have to be talked through;

and it is in the beginning stages, but they have been talking about it.

Commission Delaney asked if she can put it out there for people to start applying for the

County to start filling its fire department.

Chief Voltaire advised he is not there yet.

Commissioner Delaney stated if anyone out there is a single cert paramedic and he or she

wants to work for Brevard County, but the hours are a problem, please email her, the Chief, or

the County Manager because Brevard County wants he or she working for it. She asked what

the cost is to the residents who use Coastal services.

Chief Voltaire answered it is $742.95 plus $14.30 per mile.

Commissioner Delaney asked if that is the same as the County’s rates currently.

Chief Voltaire replied the County’s rate for BLS transport is actually $849.81 with the same per

mileage rate.

Commissioner Delaney asked if the Coastal vehicles charge extra for any services provided

within the ambulance.

Chief Voltaire responded by saying no, not that he is aware of, but he is not a billing expert for

Coastal.

Commissioner Delaney commented with that all being said, she just wanted some information

to be put out because she does not know how much has really been talked about to the public.

She stated the next thing that she would like to talk about, she, along with Chairman Feltner,

were at a Community Health Needs Assessment update where a lot of stakeholders had been

pulled into the conversation, everyone from non-profits to healthcare industry people, some

elected officials, a lot of people who could benefit from this information; unfortunately, she was

troubled by what she saw and it is because the data that was put out there was minimal; the

pool was only 1,200 people within the entire County; they provided survey data and compared

to other surveys that she has seen going to government meetings and whatnot, she was

troubled because the people who put it together could not provide the metrics; she was

troubled by that, especially because this data could influence the decisions made by different

healthcare providers; and there was some County staff there. She added she just wanted to go

on the record and talk about that because only 233 people in North Brevard were a part of this,

only half of the people who participated were random, and she feels like that is an important

data point because if a survey is biased how good is the data. She pointed out she felt like she

needed to speak about that. She mentioned the City of Titusville, one year ago, put out a

survey and it went to their constituents, about how the City is going; that company provided

three pages worth of methodology about how they did the survey; she was really troubled when

she saw the Community Health Needs Assessment especially because of how important that

information is; she would like to give the Board a heads up that at the next Board Meeting she

will be placing on the Agenda the other Community Redevelopment Agencies (CRAs); and that

will be open for conversation.

L.5. Kim Adkinson, Commissioner District 3

Commissioner Adkinson stated she will be hosting a town hall down in Barefoot Bay; there has

been a lot of citizens who have some things that need to be discussed, therefore, she will be

doing that this month; she continues to work with staff and the Barrier Island Preservation

Protection Association (BIPPA) and hopefully the County will be able to have the Barrier Island

Area of Critical State Concern (ACSC) plan hopefully transmitted sometime in July; currently,

she believes the County Attorney is looking over some changes that were made by BIPPA; and

lastly, Florida Department of Transportation has been fantastic and they have put their project

for the pedestrian hybrid beacon on hold at the moment until there is a stakeholder meeting.

L.7. Rob Feltner, Commissioner District 4, Chairman

Chairman Feltner stated in regards to the hospital, he knows the Legislature just continues to

put pressure; he cannot speak to any specifics, only that he thinks it is still evolving; he knows

that there are some questions as to what can be done to make things a little better in Brevard

County; he thinks that at least, starts a discussion on the help Brevard County needs with some

things; and he thinks that is in progress right now. He mentioned the event Commissioner

Delaney discussed on the data, he does not think she is wrong; however, the closer someone

gets to the population, the greater the validity of the survey, more people more data; he thinks

they will probably go there in the future; and that is the future of data.

Adjourn

Upon consensus of the Board, the meeting adjourned at 8:05 p.m.

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